1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:02,524 --> 00:00:05,440 [rousing music] 3 00:00:07,877 --> 00:00:09,792 [crackling] 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:12,490 --> 00:00:14,449 [click] 6 00:00:14,492 --> 00:00:17,408 ♪ 7 00:00:34,773 --> 00:00:39,082 - When I look in a mirror I see the stuff that I can... 8 00:00:39,126 --> 00:00:41,171 I look at, like, all the things that are wrong with the way 9 00:00:41,215 --> 00:00:45,523 I look, like, if I have excess skin or, um, 10 00:00:45,567 --> 00:00:48,048 my acne or other things like that, 11 00:00:48,091 --> 00:00:50,050 and I just kind of get mad at myself. 12 00:00:50,093 --> 00:00:51,268 - Especially as a teenager, you're, like, 13 00:00:51,312 --> 00:00:53,140 trying to find yourself 14 00:00:53,183 --> 00:00:57,709 and develop self-identity and confidence and to walk around 15 00:00:57,753 --> 00:01:04,107 and feel like you're alone and, like... 16 00:01:04,151 --> 00:01:07,676 what you are and how you look is like, disgusting, 17 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:09,112 or like, shameful. 18 00:01:09,156 --> 00:01:11,114 It's hard. 19 00:01:11,158 --> 00:01:12,855 - I've heard people say, like, "Oh, she used to be so pretty, 20 00:01:12,898 --> 00:01:15,945 like, what happened to her? Look at her now." 21 00:01:15,988 --> 00:01:18,600 - It's like black and white, they label you fat or skinny, 22 00:01:18,643 --> 00:01:24,301 and skinny's, like, the compliment, so...not good. 23 00:01:24,345 --> 00:01:26,825 It's everywhere, the pressure. 24 00:01:26,869 --> 00:01:29,785 ♪ 25 00:01:39,621 --> 00:01:41,101 [school bell ringing] 26 00:01:45,453 --> 00:01:47,716 - So, guys, I'd love to give you each a magazine 27 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:50,284 and ask you to choose an image from the magazine 28 00:01:50,327 --> 00:01:53,113 that you think represents what society tells you 29 00:01:53,156 --> 00:01:54,766 is beautiful today. 30 00:01:54,810 --> 00:01:57,639 What do you think that we're being told is beautiful? 31 00:01:58,770 --> 00:02:01,686 ♪ 32 00:02:15,831 --> 00:02:18,007 All right, can you hold up the image in front of you 33 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:20,140 that you guys have all chosen? 34 00:02:47,732 --> 00:02:49,821 I wonder if there's anything in those magazines 35 00:02:49,865 --> 00:02:51,867 that actually you think is beautiful, 36 00:02:51,910 --> 00:02:54,261 that looks like you or that you say, 37 00:02:54,304 --> 00:02:56,176 "Oh, I see myself in that image." 38 00:03:00,136 --> 00:03:01,659 Hold it up if you did. 39 00:03:01,703 --> 00:03:04,140 If not... 40 00:03:11,321 --> 00:03:13,497 - The fashion industry sets the beauty standards. 41 00:03:13,541 --> 00:03:18,546 It has a very broad reach, it has a very deep reach. 42 00:03:18,589 --> 00:03:22,724 It permeates so much of our daily lives, 43 00:03:22,767 --> 00:03:26,554 it's actually hard to escape. 44 00:03:26,597 --> 00:03:28,382 - How important is the fashion industry 45 00:03:28,425 --> 00:03:30,166 to you and your friends? 46 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:31,950 - Extremely important. 47 00:03:31,994 --> 00:03:35,345 - Everyone, at some point, has wanted to look like models 48 00:03:35,389 --> 00:03:37,913 in a magazine because the way the magazines portray 49 00:03:37,956 --> 00:03:39,567 the models, they're beautiful. 50 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:42,787 - Models in different campaigns for the clothing stores, 51 00:03:42,831 --> 00:03:45,834 they had one very concrete image of beauty, 52 00:03:45,877 --> 00:03:48,967 and that was what I was kind of trained to think about 53 00:03:49,011 --> 00:03:50,795 when I thought about myself. 54 00:03:50,839 --> 00:03:54,495 - I'm seeing, like, these magazines and it's just... 55 00:03:54,538 --> 00:03:59,108 I don't look like them. 56 00:03:59,151 --> 00:04:03,678 - The fashion industry and the media absolutely reinforces 57 00:04:03,721 --> 00:04:09,292 the idealization of thinness and the concept of a "perfect" body. 58 00:04:09,336 --> 00:04:11,947 - A typical fashion image is that triple-zero 59 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:13,992 who's seven feet tall. 60 00:04:14,036 --> 00:04:16,299 It's an unattainable image. 61 00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:19,215 - It's not like I'm looking at these pictures and saying, 62 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:20,912 these were what people look like, 63 00:04:20,956 --> 00:04:23,045 'cause we don't really all look like that, 64 00:04:23,088 --> 00:04:25,743 it's like, a very low percentage. 65 00:04:25,787 --> 00:04:27,615 - People who look like me 66 00:04:27,658 --> 00:04:30,531 are not really walking down a runway, which really sucks, 67 00:04:30,574 --> 00:04:32,315 so, you know... 68 00:04:32,359 --> 00:04:35,013 - I'm, I guess, bigger than what you would call average, 69 00:04:35,057 --> 00:04:37,146 and just seeing all these ads everywhere, 70 00:04:37,189 --> 00:04:38,495 I just go through daily life thinking, 71 00:04:38,539 --> 00:04:41,977 why don't I, I guess, look like that? 72 00:04:42,020 --> 00:04:44,806 And it's very, you know, it really does affect me 73 00:04:44,849 --> 00:04:49,811 and I just wish there was some kind of difference, you know? 74 00:04:49,854 --> 00:04:52,030 - I feel like it makes people second guess themselves 75 00:04:52,074 --> 00:04:55,469 when they're about to post something or when they're just 76 00:04:55,512 --> 00:04:58,820 looking in the mirror or when they're trying on clothes 77 00:04:58,863 --> 00:05:01,301 in a store, it's like, am I supposed to look like the model 78 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:03,912 wearing the same shirt that I'm trying on right now? 79 00:05:03,955 --> 00:05:05,522 And it's like, you don't, so it's like, 80 00:05:05,566 --> 00:05:07,829 does that mean I'm fat, does that mean I'm ugly? 81 00:05:07,872 --> 00:05:09,483 Because she's obviously beautiful. 82 00:05:38,163 --> 00:05:41,036 - Not seeing somebody in a magazine that looks like you 83 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:45,606 makes you strive to look like them even more, 84 00:05:45,649 --> 00:05:48,522 even if that involves hurting yourself. 85 00:05:48,565 --> 00:05:51,829 - And just seeing, like, this small group of people 86 00:05:51,873 --> 00:05:53,788 who are extremely skinny, 87 00:05:53,831 --> 00:05:58,967 and being told that that's what you need to look like... 88 00:05:59,010 --> 00:06:02,100 crushes, like, our self-esteems. 89 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:05,452 - I believe that this imagery is at the root of 90 00:06:05,495 --> 00:06:07,279 one of the greatest public health crises 91 00:06:07,323 --> 00:06:13,198 in the United States, certainly, but around the world generally. 92 00:06:13,242 --> 00:06:16,811 - The brain processes images 60,000 times faster 93 00:06:16,854 --> 00:06:18,682 than it does words, 94 00:06:18,726 --> 00:06:20,858 and so if you want to change somebody's perception, 95 00:06:20,902 --> 00:06:23,861 creating an image about it is the fastest, 96 00:06:23,905 --> 00:06:26,037 most immediate way to do it. 97 00:06:26,081 --> 00:06:27,865 - I'd almost rather ask the question, what, 98 00:06:27,909 --> 00:06:32,479 what can the fashion industry do to make this better? 99 00:06:32,522 --> 00:06:35,438 - Right now there's not, um, a lot of diversity, 100 00:06:35,482 --> 00:06:38,528 and I think that that's the most important thing. 101 00:06:38,572 --> 00:06:40,443 - What is wrong with having, you know, 102 00:06:40,487 --> 00:06:42,184 a little more in your midsection, 103 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:44,621 and what is wrong with, you know, maybe having 104 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:46,275 thicker thighs? 105 00:06:46,318 --> 00:06:49,191 - It's affecting girls, like, everywhere. 106 00:06:49,234 --> 00:06:50,845 - Everyone's looking up to these fashion models 107 00:06:50,888 --> 00:06:53,630 and if they see, like, how they have different bodies 108 00:06:53,674 --> 00:06:56,981 and they cam feel comfortable with themselves, then I can too. 109 00:06:57,025 --> 00:07:01,333 - We need a more diverse range of role models. 110 00:07:01,377 --> 00:07:03,901 ♪ 111 00:07:03,945 --> 00:07:08,166 [camera clicking] 112 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:09,341 - Hi. 113 00:07:09,385 --> 00:07:12,475 [camera clicking] 114 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:13,955 - Good morning! 115 00:07:13,998 --> 00:07:15,522 Hi, everyone. 116 00:07:15,565 --> 00:07:17,175 ♪ 117 00:07:17,219 --> 00:07:19,482 [camera clicking] 118 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:21,702 - Hi. [chuckles] 119 00:07:21,745 --> 00:07:22,877 ♪ 120 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,489 [camera clicking] 121 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:28,012 - Good morning. 122 00:07:28,056 --> 00:07:33,191 ♪ 123 00:07:33,235 --> 00:07:34,932 - What we want to do is create the imagery 124 00:07:34,976 --> 00:07:36,499 we should be seeing more of, 125 00:07:36,543 --> 00:07:40,938 so that crosses the line of size, ethnicity and age. 126 00:07:40,982 --> 00:07:44,420 And we'll curate those images into an exhibit. 127 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:46,422 ♪ 128 00:07:56,432 --> 00:07:57,999 - Welcome. - Hello. 129 00:07:59,609 --> 00:08:02,525 Nice to meet you. [camera clicking] 130 00:08:02,569 --> 00:08:04,701 ♪ 131 00:08:04,745 --> 00:08:05,702 - Hey. 132 00:08:05,746 --> 00:08:08,662 [camera clicking] 133 00:08:13,014 --> 00:08:14,972 - Come on, let's go in. 134 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:16,583 ♪ 135 00:08:19,542 --> 00:08:21,849 [camera clicking] 136 00:08:23,459 --> 00:08:26,114 - My decision as an image maker... 137 00:08:26,157 --> 00:08:29,378 to not perpetuate the things that had inherently damaged me 138 00:08:29,421 --> 00:08:34,339 as a young girl, dealing with being plus-size, so, um... 139 00:08:34,383 --> 00:08:38,648 I have this desire to create this world where diversity 140 00:08:38,692 --> 00:08:40,520 is just something that is natural 141 00:08:40,563 --> 00:08:42,043 and not something that we talk about. 142 00:08:42,086 --> 00:08:43,740 ♪ 143 00:08:43,784 --> 00:08:45,699 [camera clicking] 144 00:08:45,742 --> 00:08:49,833 - We have Iskra, she's that kind of mid-range size. 145 00:08:49,877 --> 00:08:51,574 - Morning, guys. [camera clicking] 146 00:08:51,618 --> 00:08:53,097 - We have Philomena, 147 00:08:53,141 --> 00:08:57,145 who is on the larger end of the section size 14/16, 148 00:08:57,188 --> 00:08:59,364 so these are more on our larger size, 149 00:08:59,408 --> 00:09:01,192 these girls sit more in the middle, 150 00:09:01,236 --> 00:09:02,585 and these girls are definitely 151 00:09:02,629 --> 00:09:04,587 from our zero to four size range. 152 00:09:04,631 --> 00:09:06,763 ♪ 153 00:09:13,944 --> 00:09:16,425 - You are not accustomed to seeing this range of women 154 00:09:16,468 --> 00:09:19,646 of varying ethnicities, body types, sizes, age, 155 00:09:19,689 --> 00:09:21,691 portrayed through this lens. 156 00:09:21,735 --> 00:09:25,347 But for me, I am fascinated by this cast of characters 157 00:09:25,390 --> 00:09:27,915 and what they represent in the industry, in the world. 158 00:09:27,958 --> 00:09:29,481 [applause] 159 00:09:29,525 --> 00:09:32,136 This is a broad range of diverse and complex women 160 00:09:32,180 --> 00:09:34,399 fully ready to change the conversation 161 00:09:34,443 --> 00:09:36,227 for other young girls. 162 00:09:36,271 --> 00:09:38,142 - As a model, I'm really responsible 163 00:09:38,186 --> 00:09:40,536 for the way in which younger people see themselves. 164 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,321 - Helping these young girls to realize that 165 00:09:43,365 --> 00:09:46,760 that perfected image, they don't have to attain to it, 166 00:09:46,803 --> 00:09:48,370 they are good enough as them. 167 00:09:48,413 --> 00:09:51,025 - It kind of made me stay in the industry 168 00:09:51,068 --> 00:09:53,375 and say, this is important 169 00:09:53,418 --> 00:09:56,552 that we reflect our bodies and imagery. 170 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:58,598 - For so long we've been told it doesn't work. 171 00:09:58,641 --> 00:10:01,775 It doesn't work to be African, it doesn't work to be dark, 172 00:10:01,818 --> 00:10:03,385 it doesn't work to have natural hair, 173 00:10:03,428 --> 00:10:05,343 and be plus-size on top of that, it's like, 174 00:10:05,387 --> 00:10:08,216 every "no" combined into one person here. 175 00:10:08,259 --> 00:10:11,001 - I'm a mother as well, so for me it was so important 176 00:10:11,045 --> 00:10:13,177 once my daughter was born to do something 177 00:10:13,221 --> 00:10:15,963 that would change her and her friends and how they were going 178 00:10:16,006 --> 00:10:17,747 to grow up and see the world, like, 179 00:10:17,791 --> 00:10:20,837 she deserves to have women of all shapes, colors and sizes 180 00:10:20,881 --> 00:10:22,534 and ages in these pages, 181 00:10:22,578 --> 00:10:24,275 and I don't want her growing up thinking 182 00:10:24,319 --> 00:10:25,973 that she doesn't deserve that. 183 00:10:26,016 --> 00:10:32,196 ♪ 184 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,330 [background conversations] 185 00:10:35,373 --> 00:10:37,419 - Welcome. - Hi! 186 00:10:37,462 --> 00:10:39,769 How are you? - Good. 187 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:41,902 - We haven't seen an exhibit with this much diversity 188 00:10:41,945 --> 00:10:44,208 from a fashion perspective, 189 00:10:44,252 --> 00:10:46,210 so I think this will be the first time 190 00:10:46,254 --> 00:10:47,777 we're seeing this type of range, 191 00:10:47,821 --> 00:10:51,912 not just in body, but in ethnicity. 192 00:10:51,955 --> 00:10:54,131 - I'm so happy to meet you. 193 00:10:54,175 --> 00:10:56,046 - I love what you're wearing. - Oh, thanks. 194 00:10:56,090 --> 00:10:57,744 ♪ 195 00:11:04,228 --> 00:11:07,275 - For me, like, the point of this shoot is to create imagery 196 00:11:07,318 --> 00:11:09,320 that where maybe we're used to seeing 197 00:11:09,364 --> 00:11:10,931 but with a range of bodies. 198 00:11:10,974 --> 00:11:13,063 So for me it's like fashion re-imagined. 199 00:11:45,356 --> 00:11:46,749 - I worry about my little sister. 200 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:49,012 She's 15, she's in this place 201 00:11:49,056 --> 00:11:51,798 where she just doesn't eat anything and she's like, 202 00:11:51,841 --> 00:11:55,410 "Okay, I'm not eating," because she wants to be skinny. 203 00:11:55,453 --> 00:11:57,194 - Mm-hmm. - She's sitting on Instagram, 204 00:11:57,238 --> 00:11:59,588 following all these girls who are doing all these things 205 00:11:59,631 --> 00:12:01,764 and trying to look like pictures that are not real. 206 00:12:01,808 --> 00:12:05,507 And I'm like, "Okay, I model, I'm telling you, 207 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:07,422 that's not real." 208 00:12:07,465 --> 00:12:10,773 I really think that we need to be a little bit more honest 209 00:12:10,817 --> 00:12:12,775 about the conversation. 210 00:12:12,819 --> 00:12:15,560 Because if I stand there and I say to her, like, 211 00:12:15,604 --> 00:12:17,693 all these young girls, "I love myself completely. 212 00:12:17,737 --> 00:12:20,174 I never have any self-image issues, I--" 213 00:12:20,217 --> 00:12:23,830 that's not true, and it doesn't help anybody 214 00:12:23,873 --> 00:12:26,789 because all their role models are lying about 215 00:12:26,833 --> 00:12:30,532 what it means to truly, truly be body positive. 216 00:12:30,575 --> 00:12:31,751 - Right. 217 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:39,149 - The percentage was 1.4% of models were over a 12 218 00:12:39,193 --> 00:12:41,891 in campaigns last season. 219 00:12:41,935 --> 00:12:45,547 1.4%. It doesn't represent women. 220 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:49,464 And it is--those high-end, you know, seeing someone like Phil, 221 00:12:49,507 --> 00:12:52,206 seeing someone like Sabina, you know, on the runway. 222 00:12:52,249 --> 00:12:53,685 When I saw Sabina on the runway, 223 00:12:53,729 --> 00:12:56,340 I'm not even looking at her size. 224 00:12:56,384 --> 00:12:58,995 I'm just thinking, God damn, that's a hot, sexy woman, 225 00:12:59,039 --> 00:13:01,215 like, she's owning it, she's on the runway, 226 00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:03,478 and it just made me so happy. 227 00:13:03,521 --> 00:13:05,480 That's what-- that's the disconnect 228 00:13:05,523 --> 00:13:07,787 I don't understand yet, that they haven't realized 229 00:13:07,830 --> 00:13:10,572 that there are women that are stunning and beautiful 230 00:13:10,615 --> 00:13:14,489 and they want to, you know, feel wonderful at their size, 231 00:13:14,532 --> 00:13:16,404 it doesn't matter, they just want to wear fashion 232 00:13:16,447 --> 00:13:18,362 and enjoy it like everybody else. 233 00:13:19,581 --> 00:13:22,497 ♪ 234 00:13:29,678 --> 00:13:33,160 When I was 13, I entered a search for supermodels, 235 00:13:33,203 --> 00:13:35,771 and I got down to the finals, 236 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:37,642 and it was an amazing experience, like, 237 00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:40,645 I got a taste of shooting, um, you know, 238 00:13:40,689 --> 00:13:43,997 I signed with a huge agency, I was super excited, 239 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,869 I was going down and seeing myself in these rooms with 240 00:13:46,913 --> 00:13:50,264 these other models who I looked up to and just kind of looked at 241 00:13:50,307 --> 00:13:52,353 my body shape and looked at their body shape 242 00:13:52,396 --> 00:13:54,355 and would think, oh, my goodness... 243 00:13:54,398 --> 00:13:56,139 [chuckling] 244 00:13:56,183 --> 00:13:59,360 And all they would do is measure my hips, measure my hips. 245 00:14:05,018 --> 00:14:06,933 I did shoots, I did runways. 246 00:14:06,976 --> 00:14:09,239 There was one runway I remember in particular, 247 00:14:09,283 --> 00:14:11,285 and there was, like, 20 or 30 girls. 248 00:14:11,328 --> 00:14:14,462 You're literally, like, naked, you're completely vulnerable, 249 00:14:14,505 --> 00:14:17,508 you're 15 years old and you're getting into clothes. 250 00:14:17,552 --> 00:14:20,772 And like, one after one, like, they were getting up to here 251 00:14:20,816 --> 00:14:24,776 and I was like, oh, crap, I can't get these on. 252 00:14:24,820 --> 00:14:28,215 And I was trying to hide it from the people in the fashion show 253 00:14:28,258 --> 00:14:30,957 and the stylist saw and he was like, 254 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,915 "Why can't you fit into the clothes? 255 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:34,612 "Why are you so fat? 256 00:14:34,656 --> 00:14:36,310 What are we going to do with this fat model?" 257 00:14:36,353 --> 00:14:38,790 And it was in front of all... everyone else, 258 00:14:38,834 --> 00:14:41,184 and it's completely humiliating, 259 00:14:41,228 --> 00:14:43,752 you just want to be sucked into a hole. 260 00:14:43,795 --> 00:14:45,362 You know, I tried all the diets, 261 00:14:45,406 --> 00:14:47,756 I tried all those extreme things and I realized 262 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:49,584 I couldn't change my body, like, 263 00:14:49,627 --> 00:14:52,717 it would never be perfect because perfect doesn't exist. 264 00:14:52,761 --> 00:14:55,895 I just decided, right, I've got to do my own thing 265 00:14:55,938 --> 00:14:59,246 and I've got to make this work at this size, 266 00:14:59,289 --> 00:15:01,813 'cause I feel healthy, I've gotten to the place 267 00:15:01,857 --> 00:15:05,034 where I feel happy with my body, 268 00:15:05,078 --> 00:15:07,341 so surely that's where I'm most beautiful. 269 00:15:09,996 --> 00:15:13,738 ♪ 270 00:15:13,782 --> 00:15:15,523 - Um, let me get the 7200. 271 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,834 Nothing on you is precious, like, all about you. 272 00:15:25,402 --> 00:15:27,361 Yes, gorgeous. 273 00:15:30,712 --> 00:15:33,628 ♪ 274 00:15:44,769 --> 00:15:47,642 Oh, my God, it's so pretty. 275 00:15:47,685 --> 00:15:48,904 I think we got this look. 276 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:50,819 - Yeah, I think so. 277 00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:52,952 - I feel like you just don't make as much of an impact 278 00:15:52,995 --> 00:15:54,692 if you're black, 279 00:15:54,736 --> 00:15:56,520 which is really sad. - It is really sad. 280 00:15:56,564 --> 00:15:58,261 - I tweeted that yesterday. - It sucks that you feel that-- 281 00:15:58,305 --> 00:16:00,002 I'm not saying that you solely feel that way, 282 00:16:00,046 --> 00:16:02,352 it sucks that, you know... that's your truth. 283 00:16:02,396 --> 00:16:04,137 - I've run into other girls who have just been like, 284 00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:05,921 "I could've had a cover but I was cut out 285 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:08,097 because I look this color or I could've done this." 286 00:16:08,141 --> 00:16:11,840 It's like, we're in the picture, but it's like one, two, three. 287 00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:19,239 I'm from Ghana, born and raised in London, but from Ghana. 288 00:16:19,282 --> 00:16:24,157 I didn't actually realize I was black until I came to America. 289 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,897 Like, "Oh, my God, I'm not African-American." 290 00:16:25,941 --> 00:16:28,030 No, actually, I'm not African-American, 291 00:16:28,074 --> 00:16:29,901 I'm from the UK. 292 00:16:29,945 --> 00:16:31,729 And they're like, "Oh, so what do you call yourself?" 293 00:16:31,773 --> 00:16:34,341 And I just, I don't... 294 00:16:34,384 --> 00:16:36,908 Then it becomes hard because what do I call myself? 295 00:16:40,347 --> 00:16:43,045 Yes, I'm black, yes, I'm plus-size, 296 00:16:43,089 --> 00:16:45,569 I'm also Ghanaian, I'm also British, 297 00:16:45,613 --> 00:16:49,660 I'm also a myriad of other things, but that is not me. 298 00:16:49,704 --> 00:16:50,966 At the end of the day I'm still Philomena, 299 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:52,881 I'm still my own person, 300 00:16:52,924 --> 00:16:54,926 and you want to describe me a certain way, and that's okay, 301 00:16:54,970 --> 00:16:56,580 and you want to describe me a certain way, 302 00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:58,191 and that's also okay, it's our language, 303 00:16:58,234 --> 00:16:59,844 it's the human language, 304 00:16:59,888 --> 00:17:03,152 it's how we make sense of the world around us. 305 00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:06,634 - Give me a little higher on this end. 306 00:17:06,677 --> 00:17:09,245 - It is lonely being a black plus-size model 307 00:17:09,289 --> 00:17:11,160 because there aren't that many of us. 308 00:17:11,204 --> 00:17:12,596 I feel like there should be more, 309 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,034 there really, really should be more. 310 00:17:15,077 --> 00:17:17,036 - Gorgeous... really strong. 311 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,350 Nailed it! 312 00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:31,050 - It's not a normal story, 313 00:17:31,093 --> 00:17:34,183 but for me modeling helps me with my confidence. 314 00:17:34,227 --> 00:17:37,926 Because it's forced me to get to know myself. 315 00:17:37,969 --> 00:17:41,234 With modeling you don't-- there's no filter. 316 00:17:41,277 --> 00:17:43,845 You are photographed from whatever angle, 317 00:17:43,888 --> 00:17:46,891 everywhere, so it's almost like, "I don't like my thighs," 318 00:17:46,935 --> 00:17:48,850 you're going to look at your thighs every single day, 319 00:17:48,893 --> 00:17:50,765 it's going to be everywhere every single day, 320 00:17:50,808 --> 00:17:53,289 you better get used to it and say, "Hi, thighs, welcome, 321 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:55,291 nice to meet you, I'm your friend now." 322 00:17:55,335 --> 00:17:59,165 And then become very indifferent towards it. 323 00:17:59,208 --> 00:18:00,644 - Gorgeous. 324 00:18:00,688 --> 00:18:03,778 Perfect movement, literal perfection. 325 00:18:08,826 --> 00:18:12,091 - I'm not a plus-size woman, I'm a plus-size model. 326 00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:16,138 The problem is not the label, it's the mentality. 327 00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:20,186 When I say plus-size to my friends in the straight industry 328 00:18:20,229 --> 00:18:23,624 they're like, they almost come, like, for a funeral, 329 00:18:23,667 --> 00:18:25,539 like, "Oh, my God, what happened to you? 330 00:18:25,582 --> 00:18:29,804 But you still look good," and I'm like, "Yeah!" 331 00:18:29,847 --> 00:18:33,155 My idea is to bring awareness to body image 332 00:18:33,199 --> 00:18:36,463 and to everybody feel comfortable in their own skin, 333 00:18:36,506 --> 00:18:39,857 no matter what. 334 00:18:39,901 --> 00:18:42,077 There is nothing wrong with being skinny. 335 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,123 There's absolutely nothing wrong, it actually is beautiful 336 00:18:44,166 --> 00:18:48,823 if you are like that, but if you're not like that also, 337 00:18:48,866 --> 00:18:51,347 so that's the whole point. 338 00:18:53,436 --> 00:18:55,873 - What do you think, as a straight-size woman, Erica? 339 00:18:55,917 --> 00:18:58,137 - I've been through my own stuff. 340 00:18:58,180 --> 00:19:01,401 And there's some stuff I don't like about myself too, equally, 341 00:19:01,444 --> 00:19:05,187 you know, and so, finding that day that I loved myself 342 00:19:05,231 --> 00:19:09,365 and accepted who I was, and that was a beautiful day. 343 00:19:13,369 --> 00:19:15,893 [background conversations] 344 00:19:23,205 --> 00:19:24,902 - Hi! - Hi! 345 00:19:24,946 --> 00:19:26,687 - So I just wanted to go over with you the group shot 346 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:28,428 and what's going on here. 347 00:19:28,471 --> 00:19:30,995 So I definitely want moments where you are interacting 348 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:33,433 with each other, but also feel empowered 349 00:19:33,476 --> 00:19:35,348 to be having your own moments. 350 00:19:35,391 --> 00:19:37,741 It should very much be about your personality, 351 00:19:37,785 --> 00:19:41,658 that should really shine through here. 352 00:19:41,702 --> 00:19:44,531 Erica, you're interacting with Philomena. 353 00:19:44,574 --> 00:19:46,620 Nathalia, your body's interacting with them, 354 00:19:46,663 --> 00:19:49,318 but you're only ever interacting with me or the--over there. 355 00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:53,409 ♪ 356 00:19:55,542 --> 00:19:57,718 Love this. 357 00:20:01,896 --> 00:20:05,900 - When I was a size four I struggled a lot, and... 358 00:20:05,943 --> 00:20:10,818 in my best modeling career would be like, a size two and zero. 359 00:20:10,861 --> 00:20:12,472 It's so funny to remember this shot, 360 00:20:12,515 --> 00:20:14,038 of doing all the effort in the world 361 00:20:14,082 --> 00:20:17,172 to look skinny in the pictures. 362 00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:20,871 I remember looking at this picture and thinking I was huge, 363 00:20:20,915 --> 00:20:22,786 huge, I was so ashamed. 364 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:27,313 At the top of my career I got in my bottom of self-esteem. 365 00:20:27,356 --> 00:20:31,012 And the clothes I got to this stereotype of beauty 366 00:20:31,055 --> 00:20:35,495 and happiness and, like, success, it went further. 367 00:20:35,538 --> 00:20:41,327 I was like, is this all a lie that I believe since I'm, 368 00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:43,154 I don't know, 12 years old, 369 00:20:43,198 --> 00:20:46,419 that to be happy I need to be skinny? 370 00:20:53,687 --> 00:20:57,212 Oh, my God, I look at this picture of me when I was 15. 371 00:20:57,256 --> 00:21:01,260 Oh, my God, that body, like, just the perfect, healthy body, 372 00:21:01,303 --> 00:21:02,870 it was like this beautiful girl, 373 00:21:02,913 --> 00:21:07,831 naturally that way, and I hated it. 374 00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:10,051 I remember, like, looking at my legs and being like, 375 00:21:10,094 --> 00:21:15,926 why are they not straight, like the models? 376 00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:21,671 And it's so funny to remember myself at 20, 23 years old, 377 00:21:21,715 --> 00:21:23,282 being on the cover of magazines, like, 378 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:24,935 it felt like a dream, like suddenly I'm like, 379 00:21:24,979 --> 00:21:26,372 I'm doing all of that. 380 00:21:26,415 --> 00:21:29,113 Suddenly I am that girl in the magazine. 381 00:21:29,157 --> 00:21:31,246 And I'm not happy. 382 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:34,031 You think like my worth is in not eating, 383 00:21:34,075 --> 00:21:38,558 and we can't allow girls to live like that anymore. 384 00:21:59,883 --> 00:22:03,452 - At what age were you when you first went on a diet? 385 00:22:03,496 --> 00:22:08,718 - Hmm...probably like 13. 386 00:22:08,762 --> 00:22:12,766 - I think I might have started trying 12--I'm 16 now. 387 00:22:12,809 --> 00:22:16,073 - I feel like I hated myself so much that I don't have-- 388 00:22:16,117 --> 00:22:19,860 like, I feel like a lot of my body is my least favorite. 389 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:23,429 - I did go through, like, a rough period where I was 390 00:22:23,472 --> 00:22:27,302 weighing myself literally every time I ate a meal. 391 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:30,392 Oh, let me take my shoes off, let me, like, do this, 392 00:22:30,436 --> 00:22:35,179 let me try to see the numbers drop down, and then 393 00:22:35,223 --> 00:22:38,269 my scale actually ran out of batteries and my dad 394 00:22:38,313 --> 00:22:40,881 refused to put them back in. 395 00:22:40,924 --> 00:22:43,797 - The idea that thinness equals health 396 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,973 is a very dangerous notion. 397 00:22:46,016 --> 00:22:49,368 The idea that thinness equals happiness, equals success, 398 00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:53,459 will lead to a sense of fulfillment, will make you feel 399 00:22:53,502 --> 00:22:56,375 better about yourself-- all of these concepts 400 00:22:56,418 --> 00:23:01,031 are incredibly flawed and incredibly toxic. 401 00:23:01,075 --> 00:23:07,342 - I got a message from someone from the industry 402 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:11,215 saying that I promote obesity. 403 00:23:15,481 --> 00:23:20,268 So, uh, I guess I'm really angry right now. 404 00:23:20,311 --> 00:23:23,140 So this person, seems like this person is concerned 405 00:23:23,184 --> 00:23:27,406 about my health and... 406 00:23:27,449 --> 00:23:31,366 and this is a person that actually influenced me a lot 407 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:34,717 when I was really skinny 408 00:23:34,761 --> 00:23:38,504 in the fashion industry in my country. 409 00:23:38,547 --> 00:23:43,378 I say that people should be-- take--should be concerned about 410 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:47,556 my health when I was really skinny and completely obsessed 411 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:53,301 and living a life that was first of all not fulfilling 412 00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:58,306 and second of all, unhealthy, and would eventually kill me. 413 00:23:58,349 --> 00:24:02,528 And people didn't seem very concerned, 414 00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:04,834 people from the industry. 415 00:24:04,878 --> 00:24:07,533 I didn't see one person concerned about me. 416 00:24:29,076 --> 00:24:31,557 - This message that fat is bad, if that could be eliminated 417 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,864 from any messaging in our society, from all the media, 418 00:24:34,908 --> 00:24:37,345 we'd be way ahead, and that would not be undermining 419 00:24:37,388 --> 00:24:39,129 to public health. 420 00:24:39,173 --> 00:24:44,657 - If there is an ideal person, um, or an ideal body part, 421 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:47,877 it would be somebody that would weigh more 422 00:24:47,921 --> 00:24:50,793 than what's being promoted in the media. 423 00:24:50,837 --> 00:24:52,926 So why don't we get "ideal" off the picture? 424 00:24:52,969 --> 00:24:55,711 Why don't we say, what's to your benefit? 425 00:24:55,755 --> 00:24:57,844 The question is, how do you feel? 426 00:24:57,887 --> 00:24:59,454 How are you performing? 427 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,369 What does your blood work look like, you know? 428 00:25:01,412 --> 00:25:02,936 Do you have plaque around your heart? 429 00:25:02,979 --> 00:25:06,330 - There's nothing about seeing images of women 430 00:25:06,374 --> 00:25:09,377 that are more realistic or what women really look like, 431 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,858 that is causing any epidemic. 432 00:25:11,901 --> 00:25:13,903 It is not causing any health problem. 433 00:25:13,947 --> 00:25:17,994 If anything, what it's showing is that women of, 434 00:25:18,038 --> 00:25:20,997 of a range of sizes can be valued, 435 00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:24,131 valued enough to be portrayed in our mass media. 436 00:25:28,178 --> 00:25:29,266 - Let's try again. 437 00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:30,877 I think it looks great. 438 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,443 - It feels cool. - I know, 439 00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,750 it's made from feathers. Isn't that cool? 440 00:25:34,794 --> 00:25:38,188 - All right, let's take some photos. 441 00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:40,539 - Nicki, does it scare you hearing young girls 442 00:25:40,582 --> 00:25:43,759 talk like this, when you have two 20-year-old daughters? 443 00:25:43,803 --> 00:25:47,197 - Yeah, I purposely didn't have scales in the house. 444 00:25:47,241 --> 00:25:50,113 I thought raising girls, I've got to be very careful. 445 00:25:50,157 --> 00:25:53,464 And no one discussed weight. 446 00:25:53,508 --> 00:25:55,815 - I mean, my mother put me on a diet since I can remember. 447 00:25:55,858 --> 00:25:57,643 - Really? - Yeah. 448 00:25:57,686 --> 00:26:00,776 She was always so afraid that I would turn out like her, like, 449 00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:02,430 and she's not even like, overweight. 450 00:26:02,473 --> 00:26:04,998 Also, there are doctors out there that I remember when 451 00:26:05,041 --> 00:26:08,479 I was nine and I--I was a perfectly healthy girl, I was, 452 00:26:08,523 --> 00:26:10,612 I always loved salad and everything, 453 00:26:10,656 --> 00:26:13,354 and my parents are both really into health, 454 00:26:13,397 --> 00:26:14,921 but then I'd go to the doctor and I was like, 455 00:26:14,964 --> 00:26:17,706 two points BMI more than I should be, 456 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:19,839 which is like, it's too super-normal, 457 00:26:19,882 --> 00:26:22,145 I was a curvy girl, always had, like, 458 00:26:22,189 --> 00:26:23,886 a big butt and things like that. 459 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,627 But then he's like, "Oh, I think you should go on a diet 460 00:26:25,671 --> 00:26:28,064 for a nine-year-old girl," and that's a doctor, 461 00:26:28,108 --> 00:26:32,329 and that's when my mom starts to validate all, you know, 462 00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:35,071 her thoughts, and she's like, "I don't want her to be obese 463 00:26:35,115 --> 00:26:36,725 or anything like that." 464 00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:40,860 - Health is not defined by a number on a scale. 465 00:26:40,903 --> 00:26:44,515 It's certainly not defined by Body Mass Index. 466 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,126 - If there's anything that I could take back 467 00:26:46,169 --> 00:26:49,520 from what my field of public health has done, 468 00:26:49,564 --> 00:26:51,131 what medicine and nursing has done, 469 00:26:51,174 --> 00:26:55,483 is the use of BMI so ubiquitously throughout society. 470 00:26:55,526 --> 00:26:57,093 It really is a bludgeon. 471 00:26:57,137 --> 00:27:00,401 - Health is very, very, very individual. 472 00:27:00,444 --> 00:27:02,969 I have a Master's degree in International Health Management, 473 00:27:03,012 --> 00:27:06,320 it's got policy, economics and... 474 00:27:06,363 --> 00:27:08,365 all sorts of health metrics. 475 00:27:08,409 --> 00:27:12,065 BMI is about population size and spread. 476 00:27:12,108 --> 00:27:15,590 It's a statistical measure that you can't really use 477 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:17,810 on an individual basis. 478 00:27:17,853 --> 00:27:21,857 - Body Mass Index is only a relative measurement 479 00:27:21,901 --> 00:27:25,948 of how tall you are versus how much you weigh. 480 00:27:25,992 --> 00:27:29,691 That does not actually describe how your body composition 481 00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:32,825 is comprised of muscle, or fat, and it is not diagnostic 482 00:27:32,868 --> 00:27:35,523 for the amount of body fatness or the health status 483 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:37,743 of an individual. 484 00:27:37,786 --> 00:27:42,704 - There is a real danger in the over-emphasis on weight 485 00:27:42,748 --> 00:27:44,619 and the number on the scale. 486 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:48,579 And I hear about that every day from parents 487 00:27:48,623 --> 00:27:53,846 who cite very well-intentioned obesity prevention programs 488 00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:59,460 as the start of their child's eating disorder. 489 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,812 The experience of being weighed at school, 490 00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:06,989 the BMI report card getting sent home, 491 00:28:07,033 --> 00:28:10,123 the chatter that happens among the kids about, you know, 492 00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:13,953 comparing weight and numbers, 493 00:28:13,996 --> 00:28:19,088 and how it leads to bullying and how it leads to an obsessive, 494 00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:22,091 unhealthy focus on weight. 495 00:28:24,528 --> 00:28:27,488 Kids are particularly vulnerable to these messages, 496 00:28:27,531 --> 00:28:32,580 and we have to change our way of talking about health 497 00:28:32,623 --> 00:28:38,281 and shift the focus away from the number on the scale. 498 00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:40,153 - I won't ever forget Joselyn. 499 00:28:40,196 --> 00:28:41,981 She came home recently, and was talking about her thighs 500 00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:43,983 and I thought it was really interesting because 501 00:28:44,026 --> 00:28:46,463 it's obviously a conversation that's being had at school. 502 00:28:46,507 --> 00:28:47,900 - Come and join us. 503 00:28:47,943 --> 00:28:49,597 [laughing] 504 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,468 - Well, Joselyn, do you hear anything from girls 505 00:28:51,512 --> 00:28:53,079 at your school? 506 00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:55,385 What have you heard people say about your thighs? 507 00:28:55,429 --> 00:29:00,216 - Well, one of my friends said I'm fat. 508 00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:01,522 - She said you are fat? 509 00:29:01,565 --> 00:29:02,653 - You are not fat, young lady. 510 00:29:02,697 --> 00:29:04,046 - And another girl. 511 00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:06,527 - She said it to another girl too? 512 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:08,747 Well, that's not cool. What did you say? 513 00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:10,270 - "That's not very nice." 514 00:29:10,313 --> 00:29:11,706 - No. 515 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:13,273 - Why do you think she said that? 516 00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:18,669 - Not cool. 517 00:29:18,713 --> 00:29:20,976 - I'm like--ahh! - Come on. 518 00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:22,673 You know, I try my hardest with Joselyn. 519 00:29:22,717 --> 00:29:25,372 She's like my biggest inspiration. 520 00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:27,678 I have the ability to show her something different, 521 00:29:27,722 --> 00:29:30,856 and by helping her it'll help so many other people. 522 00:29:30,899 --> 00:29:34,120 - Perfect! 523 00:29:34,163 --> 00:29:36,949 Yes! 524 00:29:36,992 --> 00:29:39,386 - When you're walking around and you're at castings 525 00:29:39,429 --> 00:29:40,866 where everyone's so much thinner than you, 526 00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:42,737 it does sometimes cross your mind, like, 527 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:46,393 "Shit, should I maybe be dieting again?" or something like that. 528 00:29:46,436 --> 00:29:48,743 But I don't want to. 529 00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:50,527 You know, when I was in Paris I was told to lose 530 00:29:50,571 --> 00:29:52,181 an inch and a half or something in a week-- 531 00:29:52,225 --> 00:29:53,574 - What? - Yeah, and I was like, 532 00:29:53,617 --> 00:29:55,576 how is that even possible? 533 00:29:55,619 --> 00:29:57,099 Some of the girls are so fit and I know 534 00:29:57,143 --> 00:29:58,840 that I was once that thin. 535 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:00,624 - How did you feel when you were that thin? 536 00:30:00,668 --> 00:30:02,191 - Awful. 537 00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:05,804 My skin was horrific, my mood was horrific, 538 00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:07,893 I was tired all the time, it wasn't fun. 539 00:30:07,936 --> 00:30:10,025 It's not like an existence, do you know what I mean? 540 00:30:10,069 --> 00:30:11,766 No job is worth doing that, 541 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,725 you know, and I always think back to how miserable I was 542 00:30:14,769 --> 00:30:18,120 and I--I'm not going to go back there again, you know? 543 00:30:18,164 --> 00:30:19,426 - Yeah. 544 00:30:28,739 --> 00:30:30,698 - Whenever I walk past scales, 545 00:30:30,741 --> 00:30:32,874 like, for some reason there's something, a part of me, 546 00:30:32,918 --> 00:30:34,920 or inside of me that's drawn to them. 547 00:30:34,963 --> 00:30:37,836 I just want to get on scales and weigh myself and stuff, 548 00:30:37,879 --> 00:30:41,578 and I found myself doing that when I went back to England, 549 00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:43,145 my grandparents have got them in their bathroom, 550 00:30:43,189 --> 00:30:44,886 and I was like, "I have to do it, I have to do it," 551 00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:46,845 and I was like, "No, I can't, I cannot do this." 552 00:30:46,888 --> 00:30:49,804 So, yeah, I just stopped doing that now, 553 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:52,851 it's just so much better for my own sanity. 554 00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:58,552 - Once more, Jenesee. 555 00:30:58,595 --> 00:31:00,293 - By looking at a person's body, 556 00:31:00,336 --> 00:31:02,164 it is very difficult to judge somebody's health 557 00:31:02,208 --> 00:31:03,862 just from the outside, 558 00:31:03,905 --> 00:31:06,516 not knowing what's going on internally. 559 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,129 Pounds on a scale do not matter as much as body composition, 560 00:31:10,172 --> 00:31:13,393 because ultimately it is our insides 561 00:31:13,436 --> 00:31:16,787 and what is metabolically active versus not 562 00:31:16,831 --> 00:31:19,965 that ultimately determine how healthy we are. 563 00:31:20,008 --> 00:31:22,968 - So, I'm off to King's College Hospital today 564 00:31:23,011 --> 00:31:28,582 to get my body fat scanned under an MRI scanner. 565 00:31:28,625 --> 00:31:31,324 I'm a bit nervous because whenever it comes to things 566 00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:34,501 like bodies and fat and things like that, 567 00:31:34,544 --> 00:31:37,069 it's always a bit of a weird subject for me, um, 568 00:31:37,112 --> 00:31:39,375 but hopefully the scan will just show that 569 00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:42,509 I am healthy and good, that's what I'm aiming for. 570 00:31:42,552 --> 00:31:44,119 I know I've put on weight, and that's fine, 571 00:31:44,163 --> 00:31:45,947 I just want to accept the fact 572 00:31:45,991 --> 00:31:49,211 that I'm doing that rather than worrying about it. 573 00:31:49,255 --> 00:31:50,647 - Fat has use in the body, 574 00:31:50,691 --> 00:31:53,694 primarily, starting off as an energy storage 575 00:31:53,737 --> 00:31:58,003 and for helping to regulate the metabolism. 576 00:31:58,046 --> 00:32:00,527 Having a normal amount of fat around the hips, thighs 577 00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:03,182 and buttocks is very stable and helps to absorb 578 00:32:03,225 --> 00:32:05,967 some of the harmful byproducts of digestion, 579 00:32:06,011 --> 00:32:09,536 and will help to provide additional energy 580 00:32:09,579 --> 00:32:15,063 when you are battling an infection or some other disease. 581 00:32:15,107 --> 00:32:17,718 So, having some fat is good. 582 00:32:17,761 --> 00:32:18,980 [man on phone] - Hello, Brandon speaking. 583 00:32:19,024 --> 00:32:20,373 - Hi, Brandon, it's Charli. 584 00:32:20,416 --> 00:32:22,331 - Hey, Charli, how are you? 585 00:32:22,375 --> 00:32:26,640 - Well, I'm ringing you to find out my results of my MRI scan. 586 00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:29,251 So can you just quickly tell me what's the difference between, 587 00:32:29,295 --> 00:32:33,342 um, visceral fat and subcutaneous fat? 588 00:32:33,386 --> 00:32:35,562 - Yes, so the subcutaneous fat... 589 00:32:35,605 --> 00:32:39,044 - Subcutaneous fat is the fat just beneath our skin 590 00:32:39,087 --> 00:32:40,915 and throughout our entire body. 591 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,614 Visceral fat is within our abdominal cavity 592 00:32:44,658 --> 00:32:47,661 and helps to cushion the vital organs. 593 00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:51,795 When we're looking at a person, externally, we can see 594 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:56,626 the shape of the subcutaneous fat and rolls and pouches. 595 00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:59,978 We cannot see the visceral fat because that is within 596 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:03,372 the muscle walls, the ribcage, the pelvis. 597 00:33:03,416 --> 00:33:06,288 Subcutaneous fat is more healthy than visceral fat. 598 00:33:06,332 --> 00:33:09,030 - In terms of health, visceral fat dominates 599 00:33:09,074 --> 00:33:11,859 how healthy you are and you will be in the future, 600 00:33:11,902 --> 00:33:14,514 so you can see you have relatively very little, 601 00:33:14,557 --> 00:33:17,517 so you're in very good shape in terms of the visceral fat. 602 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,475 - Okay, well, that's really good to know, I'm really happy. 603 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,348 I was worried that I was like, I might be unhealthy underneath. 604 00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:23,610 That makes me really happy. 605 00:33:23,653 --> 00:33:25,220 [Brandon chuckling on phone] 606 00:33:25,264 --> 00:33:27,570 Thank you very much. - All right. 607 00:33:27,614 --> 00:33:31,400 - I'm really happy...yay. 608 00:33:31,444 --> 00:33:35,100 - The real problem comes in with the stigma, with the, 609 00:33:35,143 --> 00:33:38,973 with the shame that people are made to feel and the animosity 610 00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:43,282 that people in our society feel toward people at the higher end. 611 00:33:43,325 --> 00:33:45,197 - This culture definitely defines largeness 612 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,764 as failure, period. 613 00:33:47,808 --> 00:33:52,204 - If I gained weight, I would feel uncomfortable because 614 00:33:52,247 --> 00:33:56,077 as girls are watched really closely, and I feel like 615 00:33:56,121 --> 00:34:01,517 our weight is something that is watched closely, and it's... 616 00:34:01,561 --> 00:34:03,041 I don't know. 617 00:34:03,084 --> 00:34:05,391 I think gaining weight would just make things harder 618 00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:09,308 on myself and harder to be around other people 619 00:34:09,351 --> 00:34:12,180 who are judging me and looking at me. 620 00:34:12,224 --> 00:34:15,270 - And so if I do gain weight, like, I'm getting further 621 00:34:15,314 --> 00:34:18,056 and further away from this idea of perfection, 622 00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:20,362 so I do get mad at myself sometimes. 623 00:34:20,406 --> 00:34:23,017 - There's so much pressure to lose weight and gaining weight, 624 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:24,714 it's just like... I don't know, 625 00:34:24,758 --> 00:34:27,848 I feel like it's in some ways like social suicide. 626 00:34:27,891 --> 00:34:30,155 - The unfortunate thing is when we see people who are large, 627 00:34:30,198 --> 00:34:32,766 we do label them, it's really unfortunate, 628 00:34:32,809 --> 00:34:36,030 and I think in the same way that we've had to pay attention 629 00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:40,513 to our quiet racism and people who think that they're not 630 00:34:40,556 --> 00:34:43,211 racist to really look at how you really are 631 00:34:43,255 --> 00:34:45,083 thinking about people. 632 00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:47,737 I think we have to do the same thing about size. 633 00:34:50,653 --> 00:34:54,135 - I am the first visibly fat model. 634 00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:58,574 There's probably better ways to put that, but it's true. 635 00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:03,144 I know the reason that I became a model 636 00:35:03,188 --> 00:35:05,929 was because I didn't see anyone else that looked like me. 637 00:35:05,973 --> 00:35:10,108 I didn't see anyone in media that, 638 00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:12,806 that looked glamorous that was fat, like, 639 00:35:12,849 --> 00:35:14,851 that's why I have Miss Piggy tattooed on me because, 640 00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:19,073 like, she was glamorous, sassy, and funny. 641 00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:22,990 To me, like, that's what I identified with. 642 00:35:23,033 --> 00:35:27,212 My physical body in no way keeps me from doing my job at all. 643 00:35:27,255 --> 00:35:31,825 I am the primary breadwinner in my family. 644 00:35:31,868 --> 00:35:35,916 My mom is partially paralyzed and I have a four-month-old, 645 00:35:35,959 --> 00:35:42,531 and my job is so demanding, and it doesn't end when I get home. 646 00:35:42,575 --> 00:35:48,798 The fact that people are so offended by the notion 647 00:35:48,842 --> 00:35:52,715 that plus-size and fat women deserve a place in the world 648 00:35:52,759 --> 00:35:56,110 and that we deserve happiness is a huge reason why things 649 00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:58,460 haven't changed, and it's a huge reason why 650 00:35:58,504 --> 00:36:01,550 the fashion industry isn't quite catching up. 651 00:36:01,594 --> 00:36:03,596 We're told that we're not allowed to feel sexy 652 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,076 and that we aren't going to find people that love us 653 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,209 and that we can't wear certain things 654 00:36:08,253 --> 00:36:10,211 unless we look a certain way. 655 00:36:10,255 --> 00:36:14,041 When you have, you know, 98% of the world telling you 656 00:36:14,084 --> 00:36:17,740 that you don't deserve those things because of how you look, 657 00:36:17,784 --> 00:36:20,265 then some of that starts to stick. 658 00:36:20,308 --> 00:36:22,005 - We need to stop blaming people and instead 659 00:36:22,049 --> 00:36:25,618 change the structures around-- the food environment, 660 00:36:25,661 --> 00:36:27,359 the physical activity environment-- 661 00:36:27,402 --> 00:36:29,970 and absolutely eliminate the discrimination and stigma 662 00:36:30,013 --> 00:36:32,973 and treat people with respect and dignity. 663 00:36:33,016 --> 00:36:36,237 - I've been plus size all of my life, you know, 664 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,544 and it's such a conflicting, 665 00:36:38,587 --> 00:36:43,026 unhealthy relationship you develop with food. 666 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:44,637 You know, because, for me, when I was, like, 667 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,160 in middle school and high school, 668 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:47,814 if I was eating something healthy, 669 00:36:47,857 --> 00:36:50,251 I thought everyone was, like, watching me, you know, 670 00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:52,035 and I felt like they were like, "Oh, she's eating healthy 671 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,602 because she wants to lose weight." 672 00:36:53,646 --> 00:36:55,648 - Yeah. - And then if I ate unhealthy, 673 00:36:55,691 --> 00:36:59,869 I felt like, oh-- I felt like people were thinking, 674 00:36:59,913 --> 00:37:02,568 "Oh, that's why she's fat," you know what I mean? 675 00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:04,961 And it was always, you know, I could never find that balance, 676 00:37:05,005 --> 00:37:08,051 and then I just became scared to eat in front of people. 677 00:37:08,095 --> 00:37:09,749 And this is when I was 14. 678 00:37:09,792 --> 00:37:12,273 I would go hide in the bathroom at lunch sometimes and eat 679 00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:14,362 because I didn't want anyone to see me eat. 680 00:37:14,406 --> 00:37:16,495 Or I would make it a point to never finish everything 681 00:37:16,538 --> 00:37:18,627 that was on my plate because I was scared that everyone 682 00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:21,151 was looking at me and judging me. 683 00:37:21,195 --> 00:37:22,631 - A lot of people will say to me, 684 00:37:22,675 --> 00:37:24,546 "Well, it's just easy to lose weight," 685 00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:27,375 and you think like, that's not-- like, I get that I am fat, 686 00:37:27,419 --> 00:37:30,813 I get that, um, you know, I, to some people, 687 00:37:30,857 --> 00:37:33,425 I could lose weight and I could be smaller. 688 00:37:33,468 --> 00:37:37,385 People don't identify that, you know, um, 689 00:37:37,429 --> 00:37:40,040 disordered eating in the sense of overeating 690 00:37:40,083 --> 00:37:43,304 is an eating disorder. 691 00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:46,002 When I was 10, the man that my mom was engaged to 692 00:37:46,046 --> 00:37:49,092 shot her twice in the head and tried to kill her, 693 00:37:49,136 --> 00:37:55,142 and she is now partially paralyzed from it. 694 00:37:55,185 --> 00:37:58,841 The fact that I used emotional eating, I think of it 695 00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:01,104 as the way that I survived, 696 00:38:01,148 --> 00:38:04,891 and we all use different coping mechanisms to survive 697 00:38:04,934 --> 00:38:07,415 and to get through things in our life. 698 00:38:07,459 --> 00:38:10,070 And it's really frustrating because I feel like 699 00:38:10,113 --> 00:38:12,855 if there was more awareness of disordered eating, 700 00:38:12,899 --> 00:38:15,031 people actually talking about what that means, 701 00:38:15,075 --> 00:38:17,860 then people could understand what they need to do 702 00:38:17,904 --> 00:38:21,995 and maybe why they're doing it and, and get help with it. 703 00:38:37,663 --> 00:38:41,362 - As far as we've come in this field, I still hear from people 704 00:38:41,406 --> 00:38:45,584 who think that eating disorders are about vanity 705 00:38:45,627 --> 00:38:49,849 or that the whole idea that, "Well, why don't you just eat? 706 00:38:49,892 --> 00:38:51,590 "Or why don't you just control what you eat? 707 00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,809 You know, you should have more willpower." 708 00:38:53,853 --> 00:38:57,639 - I was scared that my whole life would collapse 709 00:38:57,683 --> 00:39:00,207 because I was gaining weight. 710 00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:05,386 I felt...I was hiding my craziness around food 711 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:10,870 from the entire world and at the same time selling an image 712 00:39:10,913 --> 00:39:12,872 that was healthy. 713 00:39:12,915 --> 00:39:15,962 - When did we stop looking at how healthy and happy we were 714 00:39:16,005 --> 00:39:19,400 and when did we start looking at skinny at all costs? 715 00:39:19,444 --> 00:39:24,013 Like, I can be skinny and that also can mean that I'm healthy. 716 00:39:24,057 --> 00:39:25,885 It doesn't matter about how I got there 717 00:39:25,928 --> 00:39:28,627 or what I did to get there, I just want to get there. 718 00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:32,021 - Eating disorders are a serious public health issue. 719 00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:33,806 They have the highest mortality rate 720 00:39:33,849 --> 00:39:36,548 of any psychiatric diagnosis. 721 00:39:36,591 --> 00:39:41,161 This is not a silly, passing fad. 722 00:39:41,204 --> 00:39:45,818 It is not a vanity issue, it is a serious public health issue. 723 00:39:45,861 --> 00:39:50,997 - I almost lost my life once, like, really, really close. 724 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,868 - What happened? 725 00:39:52,912 --> 00:39:54,827 - I don't remember anything, I just remember waking up 726 00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:58,134 in a hospital and my boyfriend's with me. 727 00:39:58,178 --> 00:40:00,659 The doctor told me, like, most of the people would have died 728 00:40:00,702 --> 00:40:03,575 with this low potassium, my potassium was so low that, 729 00:40:03,618 --> 00:40:05,446 like, my heart was stopped, 730 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:08,318 and I stayed there for a week and went back. 731 00:40:08,362 --> 00:40:09,929 But like, to have a doctor tell me, like, 732 00:40:09,972 --> 00:40:12,105 "You're really lucky you're alive," 733 00:40:12,148 --> 00:40:15,456 I'm like, okay. 734 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:19,417 And I remember just leaving the hospital, saying to me, 735 00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:21,244 "You can eat chocolate, you can eat chocolate-- 736 00:40:21,288 --> 00:40:22,811 just a little bit," like saying to me, like, 737 00:40:22,855 --> 00:40:24,726 they kind of knew what was going on. 738 00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:29,688 I wasn't even asking that in the picture at that time, and 739 00:40:29,731 --> 00:40:33,561 I remember thinking, like, "She's fat. 740 00:40:33,605 --> 00:40:38,348 I'm not even going to listen to her." 741 00:40:38,392 --> 00:40:40,873 - The eating disorders, this is something serious. 742 00:40:40,916 --> 00:40:43,353 This is not just something that people talk about, 743 00:40:43,397 --> 00:40:44,790 "Oh, I'm on a diet." 744 00:40:44,833 --> 00:40:48,620 People are losing their lives from this. 745 00:40:48,663 --> 00:40:50,970 To help a young man or woman see 746 00:40:51,013 --> 00:40:53,799 that beauty lies within themselves. 747 00:40:53,842 --> 00:40:56,976 To help change legislation covering eating disorders 748 00:40:57,019 --> 00:40:58,978 and mental illnesses. 749 00:40:59,021 --> 00:41:01,676 To encourage publications and media to feature 750 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,418 real men and women of all sizes, 751 00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:08,509 or to simply give someone fighting an eating disorder 752 00:41:08,553 --> 00:41:10,816 the encouragement and hope to survive. 753 00:41:17,213 --> 00:41:20,434 ♪ 754 00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:22,392 - I'm certainly excited, I've been waiting for this all day. 755 00:41:22,436 --> 00:41:26,309 Let's do this. 756 00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:28,007 Perfect, guys, perfect. 757 00:41:32,925 --> 00:41:35,493 Beautiful. 758 00:41:37,712 --> 00:41:41,281 - Every single model, they have never been part of a shoot 759 00:41:41,324 --> 00:41:43,065 that wasn't retouched. 760 00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:44,719 I mean, how crazy is that? 761 00:41:44,763 --> 00:41:47,635 The shoots I do--especially lingerie, I don't know, 762 00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,725 I just feel like it's so much about looking at that body. 763 00:41:50,769 --> 00:41:54,120 Let's make that body relatable, let's make that body real. 764 00:41:56,644 --> 00:41:58,124 I have a platform now. 765 00:41:58,167 --> 00:42:00,518 I wanted that platform so I could tell girls 766 00:42:00,561 --> 00:42:01,954 that they aren't on their own 767 00:42:01,997 --> 00:42:03,956 and that we're all in this together. 768 00:42:03,999 --> 00:42:07,263 This image that we're looking at isn't real. 769 00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:10,615 I know this because I've been modeling for 13 years. 770 00:42:10,658 --> 00:42:14,183 I have pictures where I've done a magazine shoot, 771 00:42:14,227 --> 00:42:16,751 my parents have gone to find me in the store 772 00:42:16,795 --> 00:42:18,579 to buy the magazine, they couldn't find me. 773 00:42:18,623 --> 00:42:20,363 I was Photoshopped so heavily 774 00:42:20,407 --> 00:42:22,931 that they didn't even recognize their own daughter. 775 00:42:22,975 --> 00:42:25,847 And I look at the images and I-- that doesn't make me feel good, 776 00:42:25,891 --> 00:42:27,936 it doesn't make me feel beautiful. 777 00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:30,591 For someone to decide that my arms should be half the size 778 00:42:30,635 --> 00:42:33,115 or that I should have a thigh gap when I naturally don't 779 00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,509 because that makes me better in some way, 780 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,467 I don't believe in that. 781 00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:40,514 I don't believe that that's the images that we should be 782 00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:45,127 taking in every day because I can't even be that image. 783 00:42:45,171 --> 00:42:46,607 And it's me! 784 00:42:46,651 --> 00:42:48,522 Because if we don't say what we want to see, 785 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:51,612 if we don't talk about the changes we want to happen, 786 00:42:51,656 --> 00:42:53,614 they are not gonna happen. 787 00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:55,181 That's the power that you guys have 788 00:42:55,224 --> 00:42:58,924 because the magazines have to listen. 789 00:42:58,967 --> 00:43:00,882 If you say, "Do you know what, I don't like this 790 00:43:00,926 --> 00:43:03,493 "because it doesn't represent me and I don't like reading it 791 00:43:03,537 --> 00:43:05,104 "because I don't see myself in it 792 00:43:05,147 --> 00:43:06,845 and it doesn't make me feel good," 793 00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:09,021 if you don't buy it, then the magazine has to change, 794 00:43:09,064 --> 00:43:10,718 it has to adapt. 795 00:43:10,762 --> 00:43:14,156 And you know, maybe your kids, my kids, 796 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,550 aren't going to have the same body image issues because 797 00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:18,160 they're going to see themselves 798 00:43:18,204 --> 00:43:21,120 or they're going to feel less pressure to be perfect. 799 00:43:25,211 --> 00:43:27,648 - I've always understood advertising's ability 800 00:43:27,692 --> 00:43:30,390 to shape and influence attitudes and behaviors. 801 00:43:30,433 --> 00:43:32,653 I'm like so many in the industry today, 802 00:43:32,697 --> 00:43:35,874 which is we didn't pay that much attention, right? 803 00:43:35,917 --> 00:43:39,791 Didn't look at the cumulative effect of the images 804 00:43:39,834 --> 00:43:43,055 and the imagery that we were putting out there. 805 00:43:43,098 --> 00:43:44,926 When my daughter was born I began to see the world 806 00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:49,148 for the first time through the eyes of this little girl, 807 00:43:49,191 --> 00:43:53,239 and I was forced to confront both my own privilege 808 00:43:53,282 --> 00:43:59,549 and my own ignorance of how difficult we, in particular men, 809 00:43:59,593 --> 00:44:02,944 in particular popular culture, have made it to grow up 810 00:44:02,988 --> 00:44:07,035 a happy girl and become a sustainably happy woman. 811 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,603 Advertisements she sees on the way to school 812 00:44:09,647 --> 00:44:11,953 and the advertisements that pop up when she's playing Minecraft, 813 00:44:11,997 --> 00:44:18,307 they all begin to play a part in how she is going to see herself 814 00:44:18,351 --> 00:44:22,311 and then what will create what she defines as ideals 815 00:44:22,355 --> 00:44:27,229 and ideas and expectations, and I wanted to, um, 816 00:44:27,273 --> 00:44:28,796 play a part in changing them 817 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,019 because I think it's completely fucked up. 818 00:44:34,062 --> 00:44:37,631 Our bill focuses--make a blue sky bluer all day long, 819 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,895 put a smile on a dog, have at it. 820 00:44:40,939 --> 00:44:44,246 Remove a wrinkle in a dress? Totally cool. 821 00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:47,554 Change the--materially change the shape, size, proportion, 822 00:44:47,597 --> 00:44:51,819 color, and/or enhance or remove individual characteristics 823 00:44:51,863 --> 00:44:53,647 of the human in the ad, 824 00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:55,475 that's what we're concerned about 825 00:44:55,518 --> 00:45:01,611 because that's what causes, um, this public health crisis. 826 00:45:01,655 --> 00:45:05,398 Photoshop is not the enemy-- that's not the problem. 827 00:45:05,441 --> 00:45:08,488 The problem is when we confuse the fantasy 828 00:45:08,531 --> 00:45:09,837 and the reality, 829 00:45:09,881 --> 00:45:13,362 when we think the illusion is real. 830 00:45:13,406 --> 00:45:15,103 That's the problem. 831 00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:18,454 So Photoshop all you want, and just tell us you did it. 832 00:45:31,772 --> 00:45:33,731 - If more brands could take that on, if more brands 833 00:45:33,774 --> 00:45:36,777 could stop doing that traditional advertising, 834 00:45:36,821 --> 00:45:38,823 we all now know that you can also advertise 835 00:45:38,866 --> 00:45:40,650 in a more positive way, 836 00:45:40,694 --> 00:45:43,610 and instead if you empower women and you make them feel good, 837 00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:46,787 they're going to also want to buy into a product. 838 00:45:46,831 --> 00:45:50,051 - I love modeling for Aerie because they don't retouch me. 839 00:45:50,095 --> 00:45:51,879 It makes me feel good to work with them. 840 00:45:51,923 --> 00:45:54,403 I'm not going to work with brands that aren't trying 841 00:45:54,447 --> 00:45:58,930 to make a difference or do something good. 842 00:45:58,973 --> 00:46:00,279 - When I launched Aerie Real I knew 843 00:46:00,322 --> 00:46:02,890 that we had to listen to the consumer, 844 00:46:02,934 --> 00:46:05,806 and all we kept hearing online, through social media, 845 00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:08,243 through the customers-- even in the dressings rooms-- 846 00:46:08,287 --> 00:46:11,072 is them talking about their body and their body issues, 847 00:46:11,116 --> 00:46:14,989 and so I just knew that we had to stop retouching our images, 848 00:46:15,033 --> 00:46:18,036 we had to start showing girls of different sizes. 849 00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,342 - We decided that intimate apparel is different, 850 00:46:20,386 --> 00:46:23,693 and it's such a personal product and it means so much to women, 851 00:46:23,737 --> 00:46:27,393 and what could we do that could actually influence 852 00:46:27,436 --> 00:46:29,134 young girls today, 853 00:46:29,177 --> 00:46:31,353 and how could we stand for something and create a platform 854 00:46:31,397 --> 00:46:33,399 that means something from the heart? 855 00:46:33,442 --> 00:46:35,923 - There was a small team of us, there was, again, 856 00:46:35,967 --> 00:46:38,839 a director of copy, a graphic designer and myself 857 00:46:38,883 --> 00:46:42,103 and then we got our photographer, casting agent 858 00:46:42,147 --> 00:46:46,238 involved, and, um, did this whole thing in secret, 859 00:46:46,281 --> 00:46:48,370 pretty much, alongside the rest of our jobs, 860 00:46:48,414 --> 00:46:52,331 and then came back and pitched it to the leadership team. 861 00:46:52,374 --> 00:46:54,333 It was scary for people. 862 00:46:54,376 --> 00:46:57,249 It was definitely a mind-set change, you know, 863 00:46:57,292 --> 00:47:01,035 about things like leaving the rolls and, you know, 864 00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:03,908 things that, like, when a girl moves from side to side 865 00:47:03,951 --> 00:47:07,346 these lines, these lines happen, like, you know, 866 00:47:07,389 --> 00:47:08,869 in the past these would have been the things 867 00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:10,349 that we would have taken out. 868 00:47:10,392 --> 00:47:12,090 - Those moments are really controversial 869 00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:13,831 because we're not used to seeing it. 870 00:47:13,874 --> 00:47:15,223 I've been a model for 12 years, I know how to pose 871 00:47:15,267 --> 00:47:17,051 so my stomach looks flat, 872 00:47:17,095 --> 00:47:20,620 and I just happened to be twisting and I had some rolls. 873 00:47:20,663 --> 00:47:23,971 And the amount of comments I received from that one picture, 874 00:47:24,015 --> 00:47:27,148 "Ugh, she has a disease. Ugh, her stomach is disgusting. 875 00:47:27,192 --> 00:47:28,758 "Has she had a C-section? 876 00:47:28,802 --> 00:47:30,804 Oh, I didn't know they make bras for cows," 877 00:47:30,848 --> 00:47:32,762 like, all these terrible, terrible comments. 878 00:47:32,806 --> 00:47:35,200 But I was excited in my head because I thought, wow, 879 00:47:35,243 --> 00:47:38,290 that means no one's seen a real stomach like that 880 00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:41,815 in a lingerie campaign, and I was like, thank God 881 00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:44,426 that I can share those images and I'm proud of my body 882 00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:47,168 and show that it's real and show that when you bend 883 00:47:47,212 --> 00:47:49,692 you have rolls and all those natural things. 884 00:47:53,696 --> 00:47:56,525 - When I first went in to pitch the idea, I did not know 885 00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:58,919 and did not expect what an amazing sales growth 886 00:47:58,963 --> 00:48:01,835 the brand has seen. 887 00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:06,579 - You know, lo and behold, the business is on fire. 888 00:48:06,622 --> 00:48:08,755 I can't wait to see what happens next. 889 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,676 - Okay, this is our June swimsuit feature. 890 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,330 We do a big swimsuit feature every June, 891 00:48:18,373 --> 00:48:22,116 and we always make sure to shoot it on a woman 892 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,076 who has gorgeous curves because that's true 893 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,905 for most of our readers--it's true for most women in general-- 894 00:48:27,948 --> 00:48:34,041 and to celebrate a gorgeous, healthy, curvy body. 895 00:48:34,085 --> 00:48:35,956 These are using Jennie Runk, 896 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,958 who I think she's one of the most gorgeous women 897 00:48:38,002 --> 00:48:41,744 in the world, and the pictures, they're very, very joyful, 898 00:48:41,788 --> 00:48:43,268 which I think is important. 899 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,449 - Actually in this month's issue of "Redbook," 900 00:48:50,492 --> 00:48:53,147 it's really exciting, it's my first swim spread in a magazine. 901 00:48:53,191 --> 00:48:56,629 My fiancée's really excited about it. 902 00:48:56,672 --> 00:49:00,111 She bought five copies of it and she's like...[laughing] 903 00:49:00,154 --> 00:49:02,765 - Is it difficult being gay in the fashion industry? 904 00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:04,680 - Not at all. 905 00:49:04,724 --> 00:49:07,031 People, people love it, you know, 906 00:49:07,074 --> 00:49:09,207 if anything people love it, love me even more. 907 00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:10,991 They're like, "Oh, you're marrying a woman, 908 00:49:11,035 --> 00:49:12,384 we're best friends now." 909 00:49:12,427 --> 00:49:14,560 I think I was like, 17 when I came out. 910 00:49:14,603 --> 00:49:16,910 It was such a weird experience, like, being in Missouri 911 00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:20,392 and going through that because there-- 912 00:49:20,435 --> 00:49:22,176 I didn't know any gay people. 913 00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:24,787 I didn't even know that it was a thing. 914 00:49:24,831 --> 00:49:26,746 Like, I didn't even know it was a possibility. 915 00:49:26,789 --> 00:49:31,620 I had no, like, literally zero exposure, zero exposure to, 916 00:49:31,664 --> 00:49:33,535 like, anything LGBT. 917 00:49:33,579 --> 00:49:35,450 I'm such a nerd--every time I'm unsure about something 918 00:49:35,494 --> 00:49:37,887 I just do a bunch of research, so I got on Google 919 00:49:37,931 --> 00:49:40,107 and I started Googling, like, 920 00:49:40,151 --> 00:49:43,110 "How to come out of the closet," like, "What is a lesbian? 921 00:49:43,154 --> 00:49:44,546 How do I be a lesbian?" 922 00:49:44,590 --> 00:49:47,375 - What was the answer to that? [laughing] 923 00:49:47,419 --> 00:49:50,030 - Googling, like, "I like kissing a girl, what now?" 924 00:49:50,074 --> 00:49:53,120 Like, I don't know, you know, it was just such a weird, like, 925 00:49:53,164 --> 00:49:54,643 and I didn't know any gay people, 926 00:49:54,687 --> 00:49:56,123 I didn't know who to ask. 927 00:49:56,167 --> 00:49:57,951 I think the first person I came out with was 928 00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:02,564 the only out gay guy at my school, and I was like... 929 00:50:02,608 --> 00:50:05,915 I was like, "I think I might be gay, what do I do?" 930 00:50:05,959 --> 00:50:08,179 And he was like, "Get a girlfriend." 931 00:50:08,222 --> 00:50:10,007 [laughing] 932 00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:12,052 It was like, so weird. 933 00:50:12,096 --> 00:50:13,619 - I would love to take your picture. 934 00:50:13,662 --> 00:50:14,663 - You wanna get started? 935 00:50:14,707 --> 00:50:17,188 - I do. - Okay. 936 00:50:17,231 --> 00:50:19,016 [background conversations] 937 00:50:19,059 --> 00:50:20,582 I've been doing this for 12 years, 938 00:50:20,626 --> 00:50:22,541 and especially in plus-size modeling, like, 939 00:50:22,584 --> 00:50:25,457 we all have completely different body types. 940 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:30,505 The responsibility is on everyone in the fashion 941 00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:33,552 and media industry to help change the way 942 00:50:33,595 --> 00:50:37,251 that we think of beauty so that girls all over the world 943 00:50:37,295 --> 00:50:40,559 can see role models who look a little bit more like them 944 00:50:40,602 --> 00:50:42,822 and can therefore feel better about themselves 945 00:50:42,865 --> 00:50:46,043 and will therefore have the strength to go on 946 00:50:46,086 --> 00:50:48,132 and realize their full potential. 947 00:50:51,178 --> 00:50:54,529 - The plus-size thing for me is such a new, like, idea, 948 00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:57,054 because obviously with straight modeling you don't meet girls 949 00:50:57,097 --> 00:50:58,185 who are, you know, like that. 950 00:50:58,229 --> 00:51:00,187 - That's where the surprise is. 951 00:51:00,231 --> 00:51:02,885 People don't understand that you can't--there are times 952 00:51:02,929 --> 00:51:05,627 where you can't even shop for clothes because they don't exist 953 00:51:05,671 --> 00:51:07,151 and you've never had to consider that, 954 00:51:07,194 --> 00:51:08,848 that's never been your reality. 955 00:51:08,891 --> 00:51:13,070 Something that should be as easy as dressing yourself, 956 00:51:13,113 --> 00:51:14,810 you can't, you know? 957 00:51:14,854 --> 00:51:17,117 Growing up, it was always a problem, you know, 958 00:51:17,161 --> 00:51:18,684 it was always a thing. 959 00:51:18,727 --> 00:51:20,512 You're always trying to find clothes that-- 960 00:51:20,555 --> 00:51:23,689 there were no options for curvy teenagers. 961 00:51:23,732 --> 00:51:26,039 - There are women out there who do not care about fashion, 962 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,041 but everyone has to wear clothes. 963 00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:31,784 - I always joke that I either dressed as a goth 964 00:51:31,827 --> 00:51:34,961 or a 50-year-old woman when I was in high school 965 00:51:35,004 --> 00:51:37,181 because those were my options. 966 00:51:37,224 --> 00:51:39,052 - Being plus size myself for so many years, 967 00:51:39,096 --> 00:51:40,706 working in fashion from day one, 968 00:51:40,749 --> 00:51:43,230 I was the girl that was sitting in fashion meetings, 969 00:51:43,274 --> 00:51:44,797 never talking about what I had on, 970 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,755 just talking about the products. 971 00:51:46,799 --> 00:51:49,758 I worked in a denim company for... 972 00:51:49,802 --> 00:51:52,805 probably about 12 years and I could never wear the jeans. 973 00:51:52,848 --> 00:51:54,720 - When you're a design student or even a fashion student-- 974 00:51:54,763 --> 00:51:56,548 I studied fashion merchandising-- 975 00:51:56,591 --> 00:52:01,074 you, you're shown the high-end designers of the world 976 00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:03,598 and that's where you want to aspire to, 977 00:52:03,642 --> 00:52:06,297 you're not really shown what the reality is. 978 00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:11,389 Education of designers to design in plus has not been taught. 979 00:52:11,432 --> 00:52:12,999 It is shocking. 980 00:52:13,042 --> 00:52:14,914 - We need to educate from the very get-go, 981 00:52:14,957 --> 00:52:18,570 inclusiveness within the fashion conversation, absolutely. 982 00:52:18,613 --> 00:52:20,398 I think that's a key point. 983 00:52:20,441 --> 00:52:22,661 All the people who are graduating design schools 984 00:52:22,704 --> 00:52:25,446 around the world don't understand 985 00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:27,187 how to deal with curves. 986 00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:29,537 So if they're trained in school and they are taught 987 00:52:29,581 --> 00:52:32,671 from the very beginning of their freshman year on how to drape 988 00:52:32,714 --> 00:52:38,677 and work with, uh, size two, four and six, and 16, 18, 989 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:43,203 20, 22 forms and you just... 990 00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:46,424 are required to work on all forms, 991 00:52:46,467 --> 00:52:51,385 then they graduate knowing how to address a woman's body, 992 00:52:51,429 --> 00:52:54,649 not just a size eight, two and six. 993 00:52:54,693 --> 00:52:57,174 [applause] 994 00:52:57,217 --> 00:52:59,045 ♪ 995 00:52:59,088 --> 00:53:04,050 My name is Emme, and I am the world's first curvy supermodel. 996 00:53:04,093 --> 00:53:06,661 [cheering and applause] 997 00:53:06,705 --> 00:53:09,142 I went to Syracuse University and I said, 998 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:10,926 "Will you partner with me 999 00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:13,451 and take on the Fashion Without Limits idea?" 1000 00:53:24,026 --> 00:53:25,854 - Emme came to us, she's an alum 1001 00:53:25,898 --> 00:53:29,249 of the Syracuse Historical Studies Program. 1002 00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:31,469 And I think she came to us because she saw lots and lots 1003 00:53:31,512 --> 00:53:35,690 of bad examples of, um, garments that have been designed 1004 00:53:35,734 --> 00:53:40,782 for smaller women just scaled up, 1005 00:53:40,826 --> 00:53:44,960 and all of the, all of the key dimensions were wrong. 1006 00:53:45,004 --> 00:53:48,703 She felt that there was a real gap of students 1007 00:53:48,747 --> 00:53:54,100 not really knowing how to engage in business. 1008 00:53:54,143 --> 00:53:55,580 - It hadn't really resonated yet as something 1009 00:53:55,623 --> 00:53:57,669 that we thought we needed to do. 1010 00:53:57,712 --> 00:53:59,627 We had never thought about expanding the size range 1011 00:53:59,671 --> 00:54:02,151 of our clothing. 1012 00:54:02,195 --> 00:54:05,024 - There are over 100 million women not catered for 1013 00:54:05,067 --> 00:54:09,420 by the classic output of the fashion industry. 1014 00:54:09,463 --> 00:54:11,813 - To see that 50% of American and British women 1015 00:54:11,857 --> 00:54:14,990 are over a size 12. 1016 00:54:15,034 --> 00:54:17,079 - For me it was almost a moment where I said, 1017 00:54:17,123 --> 00:54:19,560 who's reality counts here? 1018 00:54:19,604 --> 00:54:22,955 Is it the reality of the catwalk and the designers, 1019 00:54:22,998 --> 00:54:25,479 or is it the reality of these women who actually 1020 00:54:25,523 --> 00:54:28,395 can't find things that make them feel good? 1021 00:54:28,439 --> 00:54:31,311 - So when Emme came in and was explaining this to us, 1022 00:54:31,355 --> 00:54:34,575 we thought this is absolutely-- why would we not be doing this? 1023 00:54:34,619 --> 00:54:36,229 And why haven't we been doing this? 1024 00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:37,317 Why is everyone not doing this? 1025 00:54:37,361 --> 00:54:40,320 Why is this not just a norm? 1026 00:54:40,364 --> 00:54:43,323 In this program, our hope is that whatever 1027 00:54:43,367 --> 00:54:46,239 you guys can design, that will be an aspirational design, 1028 00:54:46,283 --> 00:54:48,589 would look beautiful in a size zero, it'll look beautiful 1029 00:54:48,633 --> 00:54:51,070 in a straight size six, and it will also look beautiful 1030 00:54:51,113 --> 00:54:53,681 in a size 18 or 20 or 22. 1031 00:54:53,725 --> 00:54:56,945 So it's just a matter of maybe slight variation to the design. 1032 00:54:56,989 --> 00:55:01,254 - I think it is critical that any academic institution 1033 00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:06,955 that gives a damn about this whole issue, 1034 00:55:06,999 --> 00:55:10,611 address it within the academic environment. 1035 00:55:10,655 --> 00:55:15,399 - Okay, and this is your design, okay? 1036 00:55:15,442 --> 00:55:17,009 I'll give you these. 1037 00:55:17,052 --> 00:55:19,228 We're actually doing plus-size right now. 1038 00:55:19,272 --> 00:55:21,796 As a team here we've been developing different ways 1039 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,190 to put it into our program, 1040 00:55:24,233 --> 00:55:26,323 and because there really isn't anyone else doing it, 1041 00:55:26,366 --> 00:55:31,328 we've had to kind of figure it out very organically. 1042 00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:35,288 - Because it makes you a little more cognitive 1043 00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:36,898 of what you're doing. 1044 00:55:36,942 --> 00:55:40,337 It makes you a lot more aware of where things hang 1045 00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:42,904 and where things fall and how things fit. 1046 00:55:42,948 --> 00:55:45,907 - In my family, we have a lot of larger women too 1047 00:55:45,951 --> 00:55:48,867 and they have to wear very basic things and other-- 1048 00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:52,131 it kind of helped me understand a little bit 1049 00:55:52,174 --> 00:55:54,002 because I see where they're coming from now 1050 00:55:54,046 --> 00:55:58,398 and that there's really a need...for new designs. 1051 00:55:58,442 --> 00:56:00,835 - The industry's obviously having issues trying to fit 1052 00:56:00,879 --> 00:56:06,101 plus-size women, and I think it's good to start now, 1053 00:56:06,145 --> 00:56:10,889 in school, learning how to do things for the younger, um, 1054 00:56:10,932 --> 00:56:13,544 the younger shopper, something that's more trendier. 1055 00:56:13,587 --> 00:56:17,939 - I don't think designing for plus-size is any more difficult. 1056 00:56:17,983 --> 00:56:19,941 I think it's just different. 1057 00:56:19,985 --> 00:56:21,987 - It doesn't present any more difficulties. 1058 00:56:22,030 --> 00:56:25,164 It's a matter of what are you-- what are you used to? 1059 00:56:25,207 --> 00:56:28,297 And it's a matter of learning, I mean, those who do it well 1060 00:56:28,341 --> 00:56:31,083 are those who understand the female figure 1061 00:56:31,126 --> 00:56:34,782 and understand ergonomics, how people move, 1062 00:56:34,826 --> 00:56:37,698 understand silhouette, proportion and fit. 1063 00:56:37,742 --> 00:56:40,222 It's not rocket science. 1064 00:56:40,266 --> 00:56:41,659 - You know, we don't want to end up with, 1065 00:56:41,702 --> 00:56:43,661 "This doesn't fit, she's too big." 1066 00:56:43,704 --> 00:56:45,967 We want to be able to have every fashion student 1067 00:56:46,011 --> 00:56:48,230 in the whole country and in the whole world 1068 00:56:48,274 --> 00:56:52,931 actually designing for real women and real men. 1069 00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:56,543 - Parsons is considered one of the top schools 1070 00:56:56,587 --> 00:57:01,069 in both the US and worldwide for fashion. 1071 00:57:01,113 --> 00:57:04,029 There's a very long list of very, um, 1072 00:57:04,072 --> 00:57:07,467 noteworthy alumni, from the program. 1073 00:57:13,865 --> 00:57:17,564 - It's so difficult and challenging to get 1074 00:57:17,608 --> 00:57:21,655 that academic department to do any kind of morphing 1075 00:57:21,699 --> 00:57:26,268 and adapting to new ways of thinking. 1076 00:57:26,312 --> 00:57:29,446 - That's a girl, okay. 1077 00:57:29,489 --> 00:57:32,231 - Why do you think that we're only teaching students 1078 00:57:32,274 --> 00:57:35,930 how to design and cut and drape on size six, eight, nine? 1079 00:57:35,974 --> 00:57:37,976 - I don't know. 1080 00:57:38,019 --> 00:57:41,675 It's an old model, and we're kind of stuck on the old model. 1081 00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:45,113 Somebody put the irons in backwards, 1082 00:57:45,157 --> 00:57:47,289 and after that everybody put the irons in backwards, 1083 00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:49,117 they were afraid to change it. 1084 00:57:49,161 --> 00:57:51,729 - I mean, we speak about it when we're, you know, 1085 00:57:51,772 --> 00:57:54,296 presenting how we want students to think. 1086 00:57:54,340 --> 00:58:00,302 We don't have classes specifically for that yet. 1087 00:58:00,346 --> 00:58:04,176 - So how are you learning to do your plus size here? 1088 00:58:04,219 --> 00:58:09,311 - I mean, it's been kind of, um, 1089 00:58:09,355 --> 00:58:12,140 a self-taught journey, I think, um... 1090 00:58:15,796 --> 00:58:17,581 For my first three years of college, 1091 00:58:17,624 --> 00:58:22,716 I was always designing for a size six, and, you know, 1092 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,545 I always felt bad about myself because it's like, you know, 1093 00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:30,768 I'm making clothes and I'm never going to be able to wear this. 1094 00:58:30,811 --> 00:58:35,424 I grew up here in Miami and I was bullied my entire life 1095 00:58:35,468 --> 00:58:38,471 because I've always been on the chubby side. 1096 00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:43,128 And I moved to the Dominican Republic when I was 14. 1097 00:58:43,171 --> 00:58:45,260 In the Dominican Republic being plus-size 1098 00:58:45,304 --> 00:58:47,654 is not much of an issue, 1099 00:58:47,698 --> 00:58:50,091 and thankfully over there, slowly, 1100 00:58:50,135 --> 00:58:53,268 I started gaining my self-confidence again. 1101 00:58:53,312 --> 00:58:58,578 I came back and then I was kind of bombarded again with that, 1102 00:58:58,622 --> 00:59:03,627 um...kind of bullying because, you know, adults bully. 1103 00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:07,239 It was my last semester of junior year 1104 00:59:07,282 --> 00:59:09,154 that I decided, you know, enough is enough, 1105 00:59:09,197 --> 00:59:16,117 I'm not gonna keep designing for a size that I will never be. 1106 00:59:16,161 --> 00:59:22,123 And...I just decided, let's just do plus-size... 1107 00:59:22,167 --> 00:59:23,647 'cause it's who I am. 1108 00:59:31,437 --> 00:59:34,658 You know, living in a society where you're not accepted, 1109 00:59:34,701 --> 00:59:37,617 it's hard not being accepted. 1110 00:59:37,661 --> 00:59:42,709 And...I want to change that, and I'm going to change that. 1111 00:59:46,887 --> 00:59:48,149 - Like, all of us feel inadequate no matter 1112 00:59:48,193 --> 00:59:49,847 where we are, unfortunately. 1113 00:59:49,890 --> 00:59:54,155 But for me, as an image maker, I don't see it that way. 1114 00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:56,636 This cast of characters, we all play different roles. 1115 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,378 Your thing is that you are our Serena. 1116 00:59:59,421 --> 01:00:01,032 That's so sexy. - Yeah it is. 1117 01:00:01,075 --> 01:00:03,512 - And I think we need to see it as being very sexy 1118 01:00:03,556 --> 01:00:05,253 because that's how I see it. 1119 01:00:05,297 --> 01:00:07,473 - People don't, and I grew up being very insecure 1120 01:00:07,516 --> 01:00:10,432 about the way I looked because people thought 1121 01:00:10,476 --> 01:00:14,132 I was too muscular or too masculine, not enough chest 1122 01:00:14,175 --> 01:00:17,265 and no hips, I just never felt, like, sexy. 1123 01:00:17,309 --> 01:00:19,006 There's still certain things in the industry 1124 01:00:19,050 --> 01:00:21,226 that are still so far behind. 1125 01:00:21,269 --> 01:00:23,445 A lot of the women that they're choosing for fitness campaigns 1126 01:00:23,489 --> 01:00:27,667 are not-- they're not fit, like, they don't look strong, 1127 01:00:27,711 --> 01:00:30,670 they don't look healthy in terms of consuming food. 1128 01:00:30,714 --> 01:00:32,498 - Yeah. - I'm an athlete, 1129 01:00:32,541 --> 01:00:36,589 and I would want my daughter to see women that look like me 1130 01:00:36,633 --> 01:00:39,636 running, playing basketball, playing soccer or hockey. 1131 01:00:45,424 --> 01:00:48,253 I'm a little bit too big for what they want to cast 1132 01:00:48,296 --> 01:00:51,169 for fitness models, which is odd--I'm an athlete. 1133 01:00:51,212 --> 01:00:54,259 I should actually be the perfect body type or build 1134 01:00:54,302 --> 01:00:56,478 for those kind of projects, 1135 01:00:56,522 --> 01:00:59,133 and I lose out all the time to people smaller than me. 1136 01:01:03,616 --> 01:01:06,401 They're using very slim models to portray 1137 01:01:06,445 --> 01:01:10,101 this strong fitness persona, 1138 01:01:10,144 --> 01:01:13,757 and real athletes do not look like that. 1139 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,716 [background conversations] 1140 01:01:20,285 --> 01:01:22,200 [camera clicking] 1141 01:01:41,262 --> 01:01:44,178 - It's something different, to design for every woman, 1142 01:01:44,222 --> 01:01:46,920 but it's certainly achievable. 1143 01:01:46,964 --> 01:01:50,402 Women should feel, "I'm being treated equally." 1144 01:01:50,445 --> 01:01:53,579 - I don't feel like there is one "right" way to look, 1145 01:01:53,622 --> 01:01:57,626 and I think that most women feel exactly that same way. 1146 01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:59,672 But we need to keep underlining that, 1147 01:01:59,716 --> 01:02:01,761 and keep underlining the fact that beauty comes 1148 01:02:01,805 --> 01:02:04,546 in all sorts of shapes and sizes. 1149 01:02:04,590 --> 01:02:07,636 - And if you could re-imagine beauty and re-imagine fashion 1150 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,770 to feel represented, what would it look like? 1151 01:02:10,814 --> 01:02:17,081 - Um, I think I'd like to see a lot more diversity, um, 1152 01:02:17,124 --> 01:02:20,388 like, women of color or women that are a lot darker 1153 01:02:20,432 --> 01:02:24,175 and not white-washed and Photoshopped. 1154 01:02:24,218 --> 01:02:25,524 - Different skin colors, different heights, 1155 01:02:25,567 --> 01:02:27,265 different weights. 1156 01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:29,920 - The fashion industry shouldn't worry about your race 1157 01:02:29,963 --> 01:02:32,792 or your size or...anything. 1158 01:02:32,836 --> 01:02:34,968 I think it should be about, like, who fits, 1159 01:02:35,012 --> 01:02:36,796 like, the image of your brand. 1160 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,930 - Having more representation on who is modeling the clothes 1161 01:02:39,973 --> 01:02:42,410 in general, and showing that, like, 1162 01:02:42,454 --> 01:02:44,848 people of all different weights and all different sizes 1163 01:02:44,891 --> 01:02:46,850 can be beautiful. 1164 01:02:52,725 --> 01:02:54,945 - You have to celebrate everyone. 1165 01:02:54,988 --> 01:02:59,036 It really is about all different types of women. 1166 01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:00,385 How are you? 1167 01:03:00,428 --> 01:03:02,082 Nice to see you again-- thank you. 1168 01:03:02,126 --> 01:03:04,258 Okay, you want to do a little walk? 1169 01:03:04,302 --> 01:03:06,304 Go up and back? 1170 01:03:06,347 --> 01:03:07,435 That's okay. 1171 01:03:13,050 --> 01:03:14,181 Thank you so much. 1172 01:03:14,225 --> 01:03:16,357 - Thank you. - Thank you. 1173 01:03:24,322 --> 01:03:26,672 Any woman that walks into our studio, um, 1174 01:03:26,715 --> 01:03:30,197 it doesn't click in our head, like, oh, she's a bigger size, 1175 01:03:30,241 --> 01:03:32,069 let's figure out how we're gonna do this. 1176 01:03:32,112 --> 01:03:37,161 It just--we just don't-- that just doesn't happen. 1177 01:03:37,204 --> 01:03:39,076 Why I'm proud of my work, 1178 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:42,166 I love that we can dress women of all these different ages, 1179 01:03:42,209 --> 01:03:44,385 all these different sizes. 1180 01:03:44,429 --> 01:03:47,562 You know, women like Danielle, women like Oprah, 1181 01:03:47,606 --> 01:03:50,783 and then women like Sarah Hyland, who is small and petite, 1182 01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:53,177 and Gwyneth Paltrow, who is tall and slender 1183 01:03:53,220 --> 01:03:56,745 and also beautiful, they're all beautiful in their own way. 1184 01:03:56,789 --> 01:04:00,271 [camera clicking] 1185 01:04:00,314 --> 01:04:02,055 - Being a fashion designer, 1186 01:04:02,099 --> 01:04:04,753 it's our choice whether we choose to make our samples 1187 01:04:04,797 --> 01:04:09,846 in size zero, size six, size 20--that's a decision that we, 1188 01:04:09,889 --> 01:04:13,545 as fashion designers, are making, are empowered to make, 1189 01:04:13,588 --> 01:04:15,895 and no one's telling us otherwise, so I feel like 1190 01:04:15,939 --> 01:04:17,984 it's a personal responsibility for me 1191 01:04:18,028 --> 01:04:20,247 and everyone on the Chromat team to open up 1192 01:04:20,291 --> 01:04:23,990 what is considered a standard runway size and build pieces 1193 01:04:24,034 --> 01:04:28,038 in all different sizes and show women and the next generation 1194 01:04:28,081 --> 01:04:30,518 of girls and anyone on the gender spectrum 1195 01:04:30,562 --> 01:04:34,305 that they are all, like, part of our world and is someone 1196 01:04:34,348 --> 01:04:35,959 that we want to celebrate. 1197 01:04:36,002 --> 01:04:37,264 Do you feel like it should be tighter 1198 01:04:37,308 --> 01:04:38,483 or do you think it's good? 1199 01:04:38,526 --> 01:04:41,181 - Uh, I feel like it's good. 1200 01:04:41,225 --> 01:04:43,227 - So easy. [laughs] 1201 01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:44,489 Awesome. 1202 01:04:44,532 --> 01:04:48,493 You want to do, like, a little walk? 1203 01:04:48,536 --> 01:04:50,974 There's definitely no excuse for anyone else to, like, 1204 01:04:51,017 --> 01:04:53,585 choose only one size for their runway. 1205 01:04:53,628 --> 01:04:55,935 I don't know why people do that. 1206 01:04:55,979 --> 01:04:58,416 I mean, actually, I do-- because it's probably easier. 1207 01:04:58,459 --> 01:05:01,201 All of your products are the same, you just copy and paste. 1208 01:05:01,245 --> 01:05:04,596 It takes a little more hard work to do custom fit garments 1209 01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:06,206 for each of your runway models. 1210 01:05:06,250 --> 01:05:08,165 - Oh, my God, I'm so excited to be here. 1211 01:05:08,208 --> 01:05:09,949 - Aww. 1212 01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:13,561 So for you we have kind of like a beach cover-up vibe. 1213 01:05:13,605 --> 01:05:14,823 - Nice--so it's pretty much naked. 1214 01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:16,564 - Yeah. [laughs] 1215 01:05:16,608 --> 01:05:18,088 - Cool. 1216 01:05:18,131 --> 01:05:19,654 - Denise Bidot was the first curved model 1217 01:05:19,698 --> 01:05:21,395 to ever walk in our show, 1218 01:05:21,439 --> 01:05:26,400 and so she holds a special place in Chromat history. 1219 01:05:28,054 --> 01:05:30,448 ♪ 1220 01:05:34,713 --> 01:05:37,977 - ♪ Yeah yeah 1221 01:05:38,021 --> 01:05:40,197 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah 1222 01:05:43,765 --> 01:05:45,463 - When we started having our runway shows, 1223 01:05:45,506 --> 01:05:51,121 from the beginning we've always cast diverse women. 1224 01:05:51,164 --> 01:05:52,644 And in the beginning it was so frustrating 1225 01:05:52,687 --> 01:05:54,951 because all the press would be about that. 1226 01:05:54,994 --> 01:05:57,649 And I was like, so upset, I was, what--I spent six months 1227 01:05:57,692 --> 01:06:01,740 working on these garments and that's--no one cares. 1228 01:06:01,783 --> 01:06:03,611 But then this season, reading our reviews 1229 01:06:03,655 --> 01:06:05,135 after the runway shows, 1230 01:06:05,178 --> 01:06:08,529 it made me realize that I was so proud 1231 01:06:08,573 --> 01:06:10,879 that this was what we represent 1232 01:06:10,923 --> 01:06:14,927 and this is what people know us as. 1233 01:06:14,971 --> 01:06:19,976 And I hope to get to one day where that's not news anymore. 1234 01:06:20,019 --> 01:06:22,674 I want that to not be news, I want that to not be shocking. 1235 01:06:22,717 --> 01:06:24,806 I want everyone else to be as shocked as I am. 1236 01:06:24,850 --> 01:06:26,547 When you see-- open up a magazine 1237 01:06:26,591 --> 01:06:29,550 and see page after page of beauty ads of all white women-- 1238 01:06:29,594 --> 01:06:31,857 like, I want that to be shocking. 1239 01:06:35,861 --> 01:06:37,819 [background conversations] 1240 01:06:37,863 --> 01:06:40,170 - One like, across here. 1241 01:06:40,213 --> 01:06:43,042 - Yeah. 1242 01:06:43,086 --> 01:06:45,479 - Can I get her to be here for a quick five minute-- 1243 01:06:45,523 --> 01:06:47,612 oh, when you're done with her? 1244 01:06:49,918 --> 01:06:52,965 Yeah, yeah! Yum! 1245 01:06:54,575 --> 01:06:58,275 - So, when I was pulling this way, 1246 01:06:58,318 --> 01:07:01,626 I was really thinking about this for you guys... 1247 01:07:01,669 --> 01:07:04,194 This, this... 1248 01:07:04,237 --> 01:07:06,979 When you guys come together and it's really emotive, 1249 01:07:07,023 --> 01:07:09,155 that's where that magic is gonna happen. 1250 01:07:23,865 --> 01:07:25,737 - We have 80 million women in this nation 1251 01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:28,044 who are larger than a size 12. 1252 01:07:28,087 --> 01:07:30,916 They want to spend money, they want options. 1253 01:07:30,959 --> 01:07:34,093 What's so befuddling and perplexing for me is 1254 01:07:34,137 --> 01:07:36,617 where is retail in all this? 1255 01:07:36,661 --> 01:07:39,577 [marching band playing] 1256 01:07:52,938 --> 01:07:54,331 - There's a huge growth opportunity we think 1257 01:07:54,374 --> 01:07:56,115 for the full women's business, 1258 01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:59,814 which has been flat for many years, um, with really the, 1259 01:07:59,858 --> 01:08:02,295 the, the smaller sizes in decline 1260 01:08:02,339 --> 01:08:05,081 and the plus sizes in growth. 1261 01:08:05,124 --> 01:08:08,606 - People--girls, men, women, children--are starting 1262 01:08:08,649 --> 01:08:11,957 to finally be encouraged that everyone is created equal 1263 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,439 and that, uh, we should all be able to go into a store 1264 01:08:15,482 --> 01:08:18,485 and find clothes that fit our bodies. 1265 01:08:18,529 --> 01:08:20,183 - And not be ashamed to find clothes that fit our bodies. 1266 01:08:20,226 --> 01:08:21,967 - Yeah. - No one wants to walk around 1267 01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:25,449 in a Mumu--we want trendy, sexy, fabulous, fearless, 1268 01:08:25,492 --> 01:08:28,147 unapologetically gorgeous, 1269 01:08:28,191 --> 01:08:32,978 amazing outfits. 1270 01:08:33,021 --> 01:08:34,588 - Since day one I think our main mission 1271 01:08:34,632 --> 01:08:36,329 is to address the body itself. 1272 01:08:36,373 --> 01:08:38,070 It's not just the clothes that you put on the body, 1273 01:08:38,114 --> 01:08:39,941 but it's the actual body itself 1274 01:08:39,985 --> 01:08:43,597 because that's where the stigma exists, um, that that body 1275 01:08:43,641 --> 01:08:48,167 somehow is not worthy of being shown or being celebrated. 1276 01:08:48,211 --> 01:08:49,690 ♪ 1277 01:08:49,734 --> 01:08:51,953 - ♪ Baby one more time 1278 01:08:58,221 --> 01:09:00,440 ♪ Oh oh oh 1279 01:09:00,484 --> 01:09:02,834 ♪ Uh-oh 1280 01:09:02,877 --> 01:09:04,705 ♪ Oh oh oh 1281 01:09:04,749 --> 01:09:08,405 - The body positivity message has always been very much 1282 01:09:08,448 --> 01:09:11,799 at the center of all these ad campaigns that we've done, 1283 01:09:11,843 --> 01:09:14,672 all these initiatives, and always doing it 1284 01:09:14,715 --> 01:09:18,676 with a little bit of sass, a lot of confidence, 1285 01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:21,113 a lot of love for these women. 1286 01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:23,463 And we just want everybody to forget that 1287 01:09:23,507 --> 01:09:25,030 they're plus-size women. 1288 01:09:25,073 --> 01:09:27,902 We just want them to think of them as women. 1289 01:09:27,946 --> 01:09:29,687 - But it's not just a women's issue. 1290 01:09:29,730 --> 01:09:32,559 I think everybody has cause or reason to be concerned about 1291 01:09:32,603 --> 01:09:35,475 where we are in society and the movement towards inclusivity 1292 01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:38,304 and diversity in general. 1293 01:09:38,348 --> 01:09:40,785 I'm a father of six, five of those are daughters, 1294 01:09:40,828 --> 01:09:44,528 and four of those are between the ages of 15 and 21 today. 1295 01:09:44,571 --> 01:09:46,834 And so I've watched the journey and the pressure that they feel, 1296 01:09:46,878 --> 01:09:50,055 so as a father, watching young women grow to the future, 1297 01:09:50,098 --> 01:09:54,494 wildly concerned that we make progress in this place. 1298 01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,548 - I think that everyone's open to seeing a new normal. 1299 01:10:06,811 --> 01:10:08,813 - Things are happening. 1300 01:10:10,902 --> 01:10:15,428 - I've been in the New York market for about 18 years now, 1301 01:10:15,472 --> 01:10:18,779 and I've seen it stop and start several times, 1302 01:10:18,823 --> 01:10:23,784 and this movement feels much different than any in the past. 1303 01:10:23,828 --> 01:10:26,744 It's sustainable, and the public's behind it. 1304 01:10:26,787 --> 01:10:28,267 - Because of social media, 1305 01:10:28,311 --> 01:10:30,530 for the first time ever, in a very powerful way, 1306 01:10:30,574 --> 01:10:35,013 we all have a voice that we did not have a decade ago. 1307 01:10:35,056 --> 01:10:37,015 We all have a way to speak out actively 1308 01:10:37,058 --> 01:10:40,279 and to activate against brands, to activate against issues, 1309 01:10:40,323 --> 01:10:45,458 to activate against one another, for the betterment of society. 1310 01:10:45,502 --> 01:10:48,244 - As models we're now spokespersons for ourselves, 1311 01:10:48,287 --> 01:10:50,985 but as spokespersons for our industry we're responsible 1312 01:10:51,029 --> 01:10:54,250 for a lot of the way that young girls and young boys, 1313 01:10:54,293 --> 01:10:56,382 and in fact everyone sees themselves. 1314 01:10:56,426 --> 01:10:58,950 - Social media has given me visibility. 1315 01:10:58,993 --> 01:11:02,432 It's meant that now I'm more than a zed card, 1316 01:11:02,475 --> 01:11:03,955 I'm more than a comp card, 1317 01:11:03,998 --> 01:11:05,826 I'm more than just a set of measurements. 1318 01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:09,526 I'm able to have a voice, I'm able to share knowledge. 1319 01:11:09,569 --> 01:11:12,311 - And I think if each and every one of us acknowledges 1320 01:11:12,355 --> 01:11:16,315 the responsibility that we have and we use our own little voices 1321 01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:19,318 in every single way that we have to go out there and speak, 1322 01:11:19,362 --> 01:11:21,320 we can affect change. 1323 01:11:21,364 --> 01:11:23,235 - That's a wrap, ladies! 1324 01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:26,064 [cheering and applause] 1325 01:11:30,764 --> 01:11:33,419 - And the illusion fades. 1326 01:11:33,463 --> 01:11:35,900 We're back to being normal. 1327 01:11:35,943 --> 01:11:38,729 [background conversations] 1328 01:11:38,772 --> 01:11:41,297 ♪ 1329 01:11:48,652 --> 01:11:49,653 - All the kisses. 1330 01:11:49,696 --> 01:11:52,395 - Oh, look at them. 1331 01:11:52,438 --> 01:11:53,831 - Thanks for that one. 1332 01:11:53,874 --> 01:11:55,267 - To everyone there! 1333 01:11:55,311 --> 01:11:57,313 - Bye, ladies! - Bye! 1334 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,203 - You got it? 1335 01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:27,995 - I am very conscious about 1336 01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:31,651 how an image may be perceived now more than ever. 1337 01:12:31,695 --> 01:12:33,000 For me it's about portraying these women 1338 01:12:33,044 --> 01:12:34,741 in a very intentional light, 1339 01:12:34,785 --> 01:12:38,354 not just in this project but kind of in everything that I do. 1340 01:12:38,397 --> 01:12:41,531 I want to send messages that are important--empower women, 1341 01:12:41,574 --> 01:12:44,969 diverse bodies, range of ethnicities-- 1342 01:12:45,012 --> 01:12:47,754 those are the messages I want to communicate. 1343 01:12:47,798 --> 01:12:50,714 [background conversations] 1344 01:12:53,107 --> 01:12:55,762 - It still needs to, like, get farther to seeing, like, 1345 01:12:55,806 --> 01:12:57,416 every type of person. 1346 01:12:57,460 --> 01:13:00,201 - I still want to see girls of all shapes and sizes 1347 01:13:00,245 --> 01:13:02,856 and, like, races. 1348 01:13:10,690 --> 01:13:13,345 - Being represented in a magazine makes you feel good 1349 01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:15,695 and happy about yourself, and you say that, you know, 1350 01:13:15,739 --> 01:13:19,003 you're worthy of this and you're proud to be 1351 01:13:19,046 --> 01:13:21,919 who you are and...yeah. 1352 01:13:21,962 --> 01:13:25,618 [background conversations] 1353 01:13:25,662 --> 01:13:27,446 - And I think it's really important that every girl 1354 01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:30,014 has that kind of realization in her head 1355 01:13:30,057 --> 01:13:32,451 and that same opportunity to look at herself and say, 1356 01:13:32,495 --> 01:13:35,541 "I am enough and I am beautiful." 1357 01:13:35,585 --> 01:13:39,589 - So that anybody who looks like one of these women is like, 1358 01:13:39,632 --> 01:13:41,939 "Oh, like, she's so beautiful, 1359 01:13:41,982 --> 01:13:46,160 like, and I look like her, so that makes me beautiful too." 1360 01:14:05,658 --> 01:14:08,356 - Like, my biggest kept secret is that the difference between 1361 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,489 photographing straight-size women and plus-size women 1362 01:14:10,533 --> 01:14:12,796 is there is no difference. 1363 01:14:12,839 --> 01:14:14,841 Any experienced photographer 1364 01:14:14,885 --> 01:14:18,889 with a great eye and a strong technical foundation 1365 01:14:18,932 --> 01:14:22,501 can capture any size woman in any way. 1366 01:14:22,545 --> 01:14:25,025 It's nothing to do with the technical aspect of photography 1367 01:14:25,069 --> 01:14:28,115 and everything to do with the perspective of the individual. 1368 01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:31,510 - Hi, I'm Nicolette, nice to meet you. 1369 01:14:31,554 --> 01:14:32,729 - I love it! 1370 01:14:32,772 --> 01:14:34,252 I have not been to an exhibition 1371 01:14:34,295 --> 01:14:38,691 and seen such diversity of size, colors, 1372 01:14:38,735 --> 01:14:40,998 of different ages, ever. 1373 01:14:41,041 --> 01:14:43,261 - It's like... it feels like a dream. 1374 01:14:43,304 --> 01:14:44,610 - I'm so happy! 1375 01:14:44,654 --> 01:14:46,656 This is awesome! 1376 01:14:46,699 --> 01:14:48,396 Can you take a picture with me? - Of course. 1377 01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:51,574 - You don't see this amount of diversity anywhere 1378 01:14:51,617 --> 01:14:54,446 in one showing, it's really beautiful. 1379 01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:58,189 The evolution has been really 20 years in the making, 1380 01:14:58,232 --> 01:15:01,105 but it--we're, we're getting there. 1381 01:15:01,148 --> 01:15:04,064 [background conversations] 1382 01:15:06,197 --> 01:15:07,851 - That's what I want to see more of 1383 01:15:07,894 --> 01:15:10,767 in the fashion industry just seeing just bodies 1384 01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:13,247 that look like mine and my mother's and my sister's. 1385 01:15:13,291 --> 01:15:15,119 - I feel like if you don't see representation, 1386 01:15:15,162 --> 01:15:18,514 you don't understand that this-- these sort of things exist 1387 01:15:18,557 --> 01:15:20,428 or you don't understand that you are normal. 1388 01:15:20,472 --> 01:15:24,563 - It helps seeing stuff like this for girls like me 1389 01:15:24,607 --> 01:15:31,222 who grew up with the very... idea that we have to conform. 1390 01:15:31,265 --> 01:15:33,311 - When you see other girls that are actually represented 1391 01:15:33,354 --> 01:15:36,140 in your body type, it's like, wow, I really can do anything. 1392 01:15:36,183 --> 01:15:37,794 I can do whatever I want, 1393 01:15:37,837 --> 01:15:42,146 I can have this body and still appreciate myself. 1394 01:15:42,189 --> 01:15:44,017 - It makes me feel hopeful. 1395 01:15:44,061 --> 01:15:45,323 - I've been waiting to see these kind of images 1396 01:15:45,366 --> 01:15:48,413 for my entire life. 1397 01:15:48,456 --> 01:15:50,110 - There's a real sea change happening, 1398 01:15:50,154 --> 01:15:53,549 particularly around gender, around women, 1399 01:15:53,592 --> 01:15:58,423 who are demanding to be visible and to be seen 1400 01:15:58,466 --> 01:16:02,427 in photography and video across the board. 1401 01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:05,038 And I think it's something that we all have to be mindful, 1402 01:16:05,082 --> 01:16:09,826 as image creators, to be as inclusive as we possibly can. 1403 01:16:09,869 --> 01:16:12,611 - I feel overwhelmed. [laughing] 1404 01:16:12,655 --> 01:16:14,308 I'm not gonna cry, I'm not gonna cry. 1405 01:16:14,352 --> 01:16:16,006 - Don't do it! - I'm not gonna do it--whoo! 1406 01:16:16,049 --> 01:16:17,442 - Stop! 1407 01:16:17,485 --> 01:16:20,706 - I think that seeing high-end imagery 1408 01:16:20,750 --> 01:16:23,317 is just going to inspire people to make more high-end imagery, 1409 01:16:23,361 --> 01:16:24,362 at least I hope. 1410 01:16:30,629 --> 01:16:35,199 [laughing] 1411 01:16:35,242 --> 01:16:38,158 ♪ 1412 01:16:44,251 --> 01:16:46,427 - There is not one standard of beauty anymore. 1413 01:16:51,694 --> 01:16:56,916 There is no cookie cutter pretty anymore. 1414 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,049 Women come in all shapes and sizes, 1415 01:16:59,092 --> 01:17:01,486 and if we all suddenly wanted to look exactly alike, 1416 01:17:01,529 --> 01:17:05,011 how sad would that be, and how boring. 1417 01:17:08,101 --> 01:17:10,060 - We absolutely must find ways to stop 1418 01:17:10,103 --> 01:17:12,279 weight-related discrimination and stigma. 1419 01:17:12,323 --> 01:17:14,455 - No one is motivated towards healthy behavior 1420 01:17:14,499 --> 01:17:17,154 by feeling ashamed. 1421 01:17:17,197 --> 01:17:21,811 We have to move towards a more diverse picture. 1422 01:17:24,335 --> 01:17:28,295 - It just needs to happen and eventually we all look around 1423 01:17:28,339 --> 01:17:31,255 and realize that we're surrounded by a diversity 1424 01:17:31,298 --> 01:17:37,827 of images and body types and skin colors and realize, 1425 01:17:37,870 --> 01:17:40,743 good heavens, this is a much richer world 1426 01:17:40,786 --> 01:17:43,093 that we're living in. 1427 01:17:43,136 --> 01:17:45,704 ♪ 1428 01:17:53,277 --> 01:17:54,757 - We have to move because it affects 1429 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,889 our future generations of women. 1430 01:17:56,933 --> 01:17:58,674 - So let's push the needle forward 1431 01:17:58,717 --> 01:18:00,763 and to make it really happen. 1432 01:18:00,806 --> 01:18:03,374 ♪ 1433 01:18:06,856 --> 01:18:12,296 [upbeat music] 1434 01:18:12,339 --> 01:18:14,733 - ♪ Why you hanging in the background ♪ 1435 01:18:14,777 --> 01:18:17,127 ♪ Like a painting that's been turned round ♪ 1436 01:18:17,170 --> 01:18:19,782 ♪ Come on, come on, come on, come on ♪ 1437 01:18:19,825 --> 01:18:22,785 ♪ Come on, come on, come on, come on ♪ 1438 01:18:22,828 --> 01:18:25,396 ♪ Why you humming with your mouth shut ♪ 1439 01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,920 ♪ It's like Aretha singing back-up ♪ 1440 01:18:27,964 --> 01:18:30,444 ♪ Come on, come on, come on, come on ♪ 1441 01:18:30,488 --> 01:18:33,143 ♪ You know the words, go write the song ♪ 1442 01:18:33,186 --> 01:18:38,278 ♪ Make it loud 1443 01:18:38,322 --> 01:18:43,022 ♪ It's your time now 1444 01:18:43,066 --> 01:18:44,894 ♪ Can you feel it now 1445 01:18:44,937 --> 01:18:47,418 ♪ You got the heart of a phoenix ♪ 1446 01:18:47,461 --> 01:18:52,162 ♪ So let them see you rise 1447 01:18:52,205 --> 01:18:55,034 ♪ Hey, hey 1448 01:18:55,078 --> 01:18:58,168 ♪ Let them know that you mean it ♪ 1449 01:18:58,211 --> 01:19:02,781 ♪ Let them see you rise 1450 01:19:02,825 --> 01:19:06,045 ♪ Hey, hey 1451 01:19:06,089 --> 01:19:08,700 ♪ You feel it burn when you're knocked down ♪ 1452 01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:10,746 ♪ But let the fire be your crown ♪ 1453 01:19:10,789 --> 01:19:13,270 ♪ Come on, come on, come on, come on ♪ 1454 01:19:13,313 --> 01:19:16,447 ♪ Come on, come on, come on, come on ♪ 1455 01:19:16,490 --> 01:19:19,450 ♪ Go and claim your kingdom 1456 01:19:19,493 --> 01:19:21,234 ♪ Then slay all your demons ♪ 1457 01:19:21,278 --> 01:19:23,889 ♪ Come on, come on, come on, come on ♪ 1458 01:19:23,933 --> 01:19:26,849 ♪ I know you know where you belong ♪ 1459 01:19:26,892 --> 01:19:31,767 ♪ Don't look now 1460 01:19:31,810 --> 01:19:36,249 ♪ But you're off the ground 1461 01:19:36,293 --> 01:19:38,338 ♪ Can you feel it now 1462 01:19:38,382 --> 01:19:40,993 ♪ You got the heart of a phoenix ♪ 1463 01:19:41,037 --> 01:19:45,476 ♪ So let them see you rise 1464 01:19:45,519 --> 01:19:48,827 ♪ Hey, hey 1465 01:19:48,871 --> 01:19:51,787 ♪ Let them know that you mean it ♪ 1466 01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:56,269 ♪ Let them see you rise 1467 01:19:56,313 --> 01:19:58,924 ♪ Hey, hey 1468 01:19:58,968 --> 01:20:01,361 ♪ Let's see you show how high you can go ♪ 1469 01:20:01,405 --> 01:20:03,842 ♪ Flying right past the ones who said no ♪ 1470 01:20:03,886 --> 01:20:06,889 ♪ Let's give them all one hell of a show ♪ 1471 01:20:06,932 --> 01:20:10,370 ♪ Hey, hey 1472 01:20:10,414 --> 01:20:12,895 ♪ You got the heart of a phoenix ♪ 1473 01:20:12,938 --> 01:20:17,508 ♪ So let them see you rise 1474 01:20:17,551 --> 01:20:20,554 ♪ Hey, hey 1475 01:20:20,598 --> 01:20:22,905 ♪ You got the heart, you got the heart ♪ 1476 01:20:22,948 --> 01:20:25,690 ♪ You got the heart of a, heart of a, hey ♪ 1477 01:20:25,733 --> 01:20:28,171 ♪ You got the heart, you got the heart ♪ 1478 01:20:28,214 --> 01:20:30,869 ♪ You got the heart of a, heart of a, hey ♪ 1479 01:20:30,913 --> 01:20:33,567 ♪ You got the heart, you got the heart ♪ 1480 01:20:33,611 --> 01:20:36,179 ♪ You got the heart of a, heart of a, hey ♪ 1481 01:20:36,222 --> 01:20:38,964 ♪ You got the heart, you got the heart ♪ 1482 01:20:39,008 --> 01:20:42,446 ♪ You got the heart of a, heart of a ♪ 1483 01:20:42,489 --> 01:20:44,927 ♪ You go the heart of a phoenix ♪ 1484 01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:49,540 ♪ So let them see you rise 1485 01:20:49,583 --> 01:20:53,152 ♪ Hey, hey 1486 01:20:53,196 --> 01:20:55,763 ♪ Let them know that you mean it ♪ 1487 01:20:55,807 --> 01:21:00,290 ♪ Let them see you rise 1488 01:21:00,333 --> 01:21:03,684 ♪ Hey, hey 1489 01:21:03,728 --> 01:21:06,165 ♪ You got the heart of a phoenix ♪ 1490 01:21:06,209 --> 01:21:10,996 ♪ So let them see you rise 1491 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,304 ♪ Hey, hey 1492 01:21:14,347 --> 01:21:17,176 ♪ Let them know that you mean it ♪ 1493 01:21:17,220 --> 01:21:21,485 ♪ Let them see you rise 1494 01:21:21,528 --> 01:21:25,445 ♪ Hey, hey...